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We will merge or possibly be bought out and this last piece of crap has no protection for that. Not even AL Blackman with 70 years seniority will be safe!!!
American Airlines: We’ve sent an NDA to US Airways

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By tmaxon
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7:35 pm on July 27, 2012| Permalink

American Airlines informed employees Friday afternoon that it has kicked off the “strategic alternative” process by sending a non-disclosure agreement to US Airways.
US Airways is the only party publicly known to be interested in a deal with American. It has acknowledged since soon after American’s Nov. 29 bankruptcy filing that it wanted to merge with American.
Said American in its message to employees:
“As we have said previously, parties interested in our process to examine the full range of strategic alternatives will receive and be asked to sign an agreement governing the confidential exchange of information about our company.
“We developed that confidentiality agreement, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or “NDA,” in full collaboration with the creditors’ committee, to govern a fair and objective process of comparing all strategic alternatives. The agreement has been sent to US Airways for its review, and is being sent to others.
“As we move forward, it is our expectation that this process will be concluded confidentially so that all parties can protect their proprietary information and data.”
We do know that American is also interested in talking to JetBlue Airways Corp., Alaska Air Group Inc., Frontier Airlines Inc. and Virgin America Inc. about potential deals. We don’t know which of those companies are interested in talking to American
 
LBO II SUX!

We will merge or possibly be bought out and this last piece of crap has no protection for that. Not even AL Blackman with 70 years seniority will be safe!!!

One thing about this statement...Can be misleading...Try not to stoop to the level of fear spreading like the Tulsa local leadership is doing.



Layoffs will still be done according to occupational seniority.


ARTICLE 15 – REDUCTION IN FORCE
(a) All demotions and reductions in force of full-time and part-time employees for lack of work will be handled separately in accordance with Occupational seniority, as provided for in

Article 10 paragraph (f).


ARTICLE 10 – SENIORITY

(f) Occupational seniority will govern all employees in the case of promotion, demotion, transfer, retention in case of reduction in force, and reemployment after release due to reduction in force, provided that the employee's qualifications are sufficient for the conduct of the work in the classification to which he is to be assigned.
 
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Allegheny Mohawk and arbitration with no SPECIFIC language. I am sure that will work out great for the TWU M&R!!!!
 
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Allegheny Mohawk and arbitration with no SPECIFIC language. I am sure that will work out great for the TWU M&R!!!!
I believe the it says:

per Article 1, page 4 of the 2003 agreement.

1) The integration of the seniority lists of the respective employee groups will be governed by the provisions of Sections 3 & 13 of Allegheny Mohawk, 59 CAB 22 (1972), provided that no employee on the master seniority list will be adversely impacted in rates of pay, hours, or the working conditions by the integration.
 
Allegheny Mohawk and arbitration with no SPECIFIC language. I am sure that will work out great for the TWU M&R!!!!
So basically what you are saying is that in case of a merger and seniority lists are equitably merged, once that is done, US will lay off ALL AA people.....
 
If the LBO2 passes, and AA and US merge, wouldn't there have to be negotiations to arrive at a new contract for all M&R (both US and AA)? In other words, is it really a six year agreement if AA merges with a medium-sized airline like US in the next year or two?
 
If the LBO2 passes, and AA and US merge, wouldn't there have to be negotiations to arrive at a new contract for all M&R (both US and AA)? In other words, is it really a six year agreement if AA merges with a medium-sized airline like US in the next year or two?

I would imagine there would first be a vote to see which union would represent the merged carrier. Then after that you might see a situation like Contiental and United.
 
If the LBO2 passes, and AA and US merge, wouldn't there have to be negotiations to arrive at a new contract for all M&R (both US and AA)? In other words, is it really a six year agreement if AA merges with a medium-sized airline like US in the next year or two?

Could be, did USAIR ever settle on combined contracts between America West workers and USAIRWAYS workers? They started preliminary talks, where they are with AA now, in 2004, eight years ago and they still have split workgroups working under their old contracts. So yes, if AA and USAIRWAYS merged we could be stuck with this deal for another six years. Besides its not as if they were talking Southwest, USAIRWAYS is the next up bottom feeder, just what workers in the industry need, a super cariier with bottom of the barrell wages and workrules!!!! :angry2:
 
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So basically what you are saying is that in case of a merger and seniority lists are equitably merged, once that is done, US will lay off ALL AA people.....

I think he might be speaking of specific "Change of Control" language.

With us, it is Article 3 and a LOA "Labor Protective Provisions".
 
Could be, did USAIR ever settle on a combined contract between America West and USAIRWAYS? They started preliminary talks, where they are with AA now, in 2004, eight years ago and they still have split workgroups working under their old contracts. So yes, if AA and USAIRWAYS merged we could be stuck with this deal for another six years. Besides its not as if they were talking Southwest, USAIRWAYS is the next up bottom feeder, just what workers in the industry need, a super cariier with bottom of the barrell wages and workrules!!!! :angry2:

We settled with the AWA Mechanics with our Transition Agreement of April 2008. The AWA Mechanics were Teamsters at the time. We had a vote for which union would represent the combined group. It was at this time that the IAM wrote the pension plan into our agreement which we gladly voted yes for.
 
If the LBO2 passes, and AA and US merge, wouldn't there have to be negotiations to arrive at a new contract for all M&R (both US and AA)? In other words, is it really a six year agreement if AA merges with a medium-sized airline like US in the next year or two?

Most probably true.
 
Could be, did USAIR ever settle on combined contracts between America West workers and USAIRWAYS workers? They started preliminary talks, where they are with AA now, in 2004, eight years ago and they still have split workgroups working under their old contracts. So yes, if AA and USAIRWAYS merged we could be stuck with this deal for another six years. Besides its not as if they were talking Southwest, USAIRWAYS is the next up bottom feeder, just what workers in the industry need, a super cariier with bottom of the barrell wages and workrules!!!! :angry2:
The pilots and FAs are still separate. As you probably know, the pilots' situation is somewhat unique, since the East pilots formed their new union (USAPA) for a single purpose - to disown any responsibility to integrate their seniority lists with the West pilots via the arbitration outcome (Nicolau list). In probably the biggest dollar example of "cutting off one's nose to spite their face," the East pilots appear to be willing to accept less than jetBlue wages for the rest of their careers rather than accept the arbitration outcome and the likely huge raises they would get if they integrated the pilot lists.

The US East and HP West mechanics integrated, as mentioned above, in 2008, two and a half years after the merger (Sept 2005). From the 2008 10-K:

In April 2008, US Airways and IAM District 142 ratified a new unified agreement that moved all US Airways' maintenance and

related employees to one labor contract. The new contract moved pre-merger AWA maintenance, stock clerk and related employees

to the higher pay scales of the pre-merger US Airways labor contract and modified the existing US Airways labor agreement in ways
that were mutually beneficial to the employees and US Airways.
I don't see AA's mechanics pulling the same stunt as the US East pilots (forming a new union for the sole purpose of trying to undo an arbitration result with which they disagree), but you never know.
 
Besides all
These reasons how about the main reason is the twu is not a union that cares about families and the people they represent. Why do they let the company decide what language is written in the contract why do they not fight for the workers?