The Perfect Solution To F/y Seating!

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Discovery Wings is quite possibly the best channel on cable right now. A nice break from all the crap reality shows. One of my favourite shows is Airport, a 30 minute look inside of operations at Heathrow airport. They have a few staff they regularly follow around and video tape their daily struggles which, any of you working in the airline business know, are not unlike what you deal with on a daily basis.

On a recent episode, and Iceland Air flight (a 757) needed to reconfigure their F section on the fly to accomodate more F seats. It was the coolest process -

What it appeared was that the first several rows of the 757 were setup for F or Y. They could be converted on the fly(no pun intended) as follows:

1.) slide curtain divider (instead of the fixed bulkhead we're used to seeing) back 2 coach rows (3-3 seating).
2.) Remove the inside arm rests from these two rows
3.) Attach this handcrank contraption to bottom of seat(on aisle), and turn it. It appeared the outer seats expanded and closed in on a wide armrest that gets attached between the two in lieu of the middle seat.

The before/after seating looked about the same comfort, width, etc. that we're used to on 757's flying in the US. They didn't physically move the seats, so the CG shouldn't have moved. It's appears that they have x rows setup for the 'on-the-fly' conversion with 37"(or whatever their F pitch is). When they're setup for coach, those few rows would just be like Economy +.

Has USAirways ever looked at this config? They could turn a 757(or any aircraft) into all coach or add a few rows of F in a very short time and enable them to match aircraft to demand quickly. It's something the F/A's did, too. Didn't require a mechanic since nothing was physically installed or removed.
 
"They didn't physically move the seats, so the CG shouldn't have moved"

The CG will change because it's more involved than just the distance. You are adding weight if you're creating Y seats at that arm.

Weight X Arm(distance)= Moment

"Has USAirways ever looked at this config?"
Yes, just before the MetroJet fiasco.
 
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flyin2low said:
"They didn't physically move the seats, so the CG shouldn't have moved"

The CG will change because it's more involved than just the distance. You are adding weight if you're creating Y seats at that arm.

Weight X Arm(distance)= Moment

"Has USAirways ever looked at this config?"
Yes, just before the MetroJet fiasco.
They aren't creating a new seat, they're re-arranging the arm rest location. Does that require a log entry and updating the W&B???
 
The loads we had on Business Select flights were usually fairly decent in the front. The problem was, people didnt want to pay big $ and still be in a middle seat. If there were a way to get 2/2 seating out of it, then it might stand a chance. I also remember some of the FF saying they'd rather have less seats (12 in FC vs up to 45 in Business Select) and take a chance at getting one of the 12 nice ones rather than being stuck in a middle of one of the 45.
Many airlines in Europe handle "Business" class this way. Problem here is people are used to "First Class" even though its more like a business product now and is hard to convince them otherwise, free booze and all.
 
Plus the Ricarro (sp?) seats we used were uncomfortable and were on MEL more then they actually worked. I agree with Tad that a 2x2 seating would have been a better option. Having paid a "business" fare and still being stuck in a center seat withj more leg room is still a center seat.
 
OMG......We used to have some seating in our aircraft during the Schofield CEO days that you could adjust back and forth in that manner. They seats did not function well nor did they sell well. One of his major blunders at the time.



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