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 A reversal will not happen. American Airlines found out with the CWA and the customer service employee's in 2012/2013 when trying to fight a NMB decision and the RLA.
 
See Case: 12-10-10680 final decision (10-03-2012) and Case: 4:12-cv-00276-Y opinions vacated. (pdf attached)
 
 
"Judicial review of NMB decisions pursuant to the exception carved out by the Supreme Court in Leedom v. Kyne, 358 U.S. 184 (1958) is only appropriate where there is a "plain" violation of an unambiguous and mandatory provision of the statute," or in other words, where the NMB has committed "egregious error".
 
See NMB arguments Case 12-10-10680 (07/10/2012) (pdf attached)
 
"The RLA was enacted to ensure "the prompt and orderly settlement of" labor-management disputes in the railroad and airline industries, see 45 U.S.C. 151A. Thus, courts have not applied "conventional principles of judicial review" to the Board's decision under the RLA. See, e.g., Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. v. NMB, 956 F.2d 1245, 1250 (2d Cir. 1999) (refusing to apply the Administrative Procedure Act). As the Supreme Court has emphasized, the congressional "intent seems plain - the dispute was to reach its last terminal point when the administrative finding was made. There was to be no dragging out of the controversy into other tribunals of law." (recognizing "statutory command to attain a prompt and orderly settlement of labor disputes"). Thus, speed is an "RLA objective of the first order." The RLA "puts a premium on speed of resolution," and is intended to prevent representation disputes from being dragged out. "
 
"1. In keeping with the statutory "premium on speed of resolution," for more than sixty years it has been well-settled doctrine that actions taken by the Board in representation disputes under the RLA are generally unreviewable. In Switchmen's Union, the Supreme Court held that, under the RLA, Congress entrusted the responsibility for protecting the collective bargaining rights of employees exclusively to the Board, not the courts. Accordingly, the Court declared that the Board's determinations in representation disputes were unreviewable "whether the (alleged) error be one of fact or law," The supreme Court confirmed this doctrine"
 
"Consistent with Switchmen's Union, the courts have universally agreed that the details and procedures of representational disputes are committed solely to the Board's discretion. Indeed, judicial review under the RLA is "one of the narrowest known to law. IAM v. TWA, 839 F.2d 809, 811 (D.C. Cir. 1988) amended, 848 F.2d 232 (D.C. Cir 1988). Judicial review of the Board's decision may be available only where the plaintiff has established, on the face of the pleadings, that the decision involved "patent official bad faith"; violated the constitutional rights of the employer, employee, of the union; or was a "gross violation" of the RLA. A "gross violation" of the RLA occurs only in the NMB's action are "in excess of its delegated powers and contrary to a specific prohibition in the act,""
 
 
Of course some will argue this is a single carrier determination and not a representation dispute yet.
 
We will see.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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usairways_vote_NO said:
 A reversal will not happen. American Airlines found out with the CWA and the customer service employee's in 2012/2013 when trying to fight a NMB decision and the RLA.
 
See Case: 12-10-10680 final decision (10-03-2012) and Case: 4:12-cv-00276-Y opinions vacated. (pdf attached)
 
 
"Judicial review of NMB decisions pursuant to the exception carved out by the Supreme Court in Leedom v. Kyne, 358 U.S. 184 (1958) is only appropriate where there is a "plain" violation of an unambiguous and mandatory provision of the statute," or in other words, where the NMB has committed "egregious error".
 
See NMB arguments Case 12-10-10680 (07/10/2012) (pdf attached)
 
"The RLA was enacted to ensure "the prompt and orderly settlement of" labor-management disputes in the railroad and airline industries, see 45 U.S.C. 151A. Thus, courts have not applied "conventional principles of judicial review" to the Board's decision under the RLA. See, e.g., Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. v. NMB, 956 F.2d 1245, 1250 (2d Cir. 1999) (refusing to apply the Administrative Procedure Act). As the Supreme Court has emphasized, the congressional "intent seems plain - the dispute was to reach its last terminal point when the administrative finding was made. There was to be no dragging out of the controversy into other tribunals of law." (recognizing "statutory command to attain a prompt and orderly settlement of labor disputes"). Thus, speed is an "RLA objective of the first order." The RLA "puts a premium on speed of resolution," and is intended to prevent representation disputes from being dragged out. "
 
"1. In keeping with the statutory "premium on speed of resolution," for more than sixty years it has been well-settled doctrine that actions taken by the Board in representation disputes under the RLA are generally unreviewable. In Switchmen's Union, the Supreme Court held that, under the RLA, Congress entrusted the responsibility for protecting the collective bargaining rights of employees exclusively to the Board, not the courts. Accordingly, the Court declared that the Board's determinations in representation disputes were unreviewable "whether the (alleged) error be one of fact or law," The supreme Court confirmed this doctrine"
 
"Consistent with Switchmen's Union, the courts have universally agreed that the details and procedures of representational disputes are committed solely to the Board's discretion. Indeed, judicial review under the RLA is "one of the narrowest known to law. IAM v. TWA, 839 F.2d 809, 811 (D.C. Cir. 1988) amended, 848 F.2d 232 (D.C. Cir 1988). Judicial review of the Board's decision may be available only where the plaintiff has established, on the face of the pleadings, that the decision involved "patent official bad faith"; violated the constitutional rights of the employer, employee, of the union; or was a "gross violation" of the RLA. A "gross violation" of the RLA occurs only in the NMB's action are "in excess of its delegated powers and contrary to a specific prohibition in the act,""
 
 
Of course some will argue this is a single carrier determination and not a representation dispute yet.
 
We will see.
 
The case you cite itself has no bearing on the current situation, this piece is however accurate ...
 
"Judicial review of NMB decisions pursuant to the exception carved out by the Supreme Court in Leedom v. Kyne, 358 U.S. 184 (1958) is only appropriate where there is a "plain" violation of an unambiguous and mandatory provision of the statute," or in other words, where the NMB has committed "egregious error"
 
 
Section 19 of the current NMB representational manual spells out in unambiguous terms what is to occur in a merger situation. If they deviate from that, then you have a "plain" an or "egregious error" on the part of the NMB. 
 
As you say ... we will see.
 
The NMB will follow Section 19.  If they choose the Association and grant them the new certificate without a vote and after Intervenor's fail to meet the showing of interest requirements (Yes AFMA will fail)  then that will be that. No one will get it reversed.
 
I am not saying how it will end up I am just saying whatever the decision is it will not be reversed.
 
usairways_vote_NO said:
The NMB will follow Section 19.  If they choose the Association and grant them the new certificate without a vote and after Intervenor's fail to meet the showing of interest requirements (Yes AFMA will fail)  then that will be that. No one will get it reversed.
 
I am not saying how it will end up I am just saying whatever the decision is it will not be reversed.
 
You claim the NMB will follow Section 19 then follow that with your speculation on events that most certainly will violate section 19.
 
If the NMB grants the alliance certification without a membership vote then it is indeed a violation of Section 19. 
 
Where has the alliance made a showing of interest? How does it merit certification without that showing?
 
You are trying to put words in my mouth. I am not speculating on what the specific outcome will be except to say that whatever the NMB rules will stand.
 
I used the example because I know that is the one that you and the AMFA supporters are so afraid of.
 
It is your interpretation of the rules that say the NMB can't rule that way. Maybe they can maybe they can't. But I know one thing if they do rule for the Association without a vote it will stand and I will take their interpretation over yours or a bunch of AMFA supporters everyday of the week.
 
 
Now in response to your questions.  If the NMB does rule for Association without a vote I would speculate that their reasoning might be the TWU is the only organization with over 50% showing of interest and would therefore be given the certificate if the Association wasn't formed. The TWU agrees to the Association with the IAM. So they allow it. I got no clue really why they would approve it but that is my take. One thing is for sure they will clearly state why they ruled the way the do and you won't have a chance in hell to overturn it.
 
The problem is frivolous lawsuit politic playing Peterson is likely to waste another pile of the locals money trying to stop it using Seham who by the way is getting quite a bit more wealthy eating up