Twaers Lawsuit To Get Full Seniority
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Hopeful said:
Well, let me see, Local 501, my TWU union dues are used in a lawsuit to take away all of what the Kasher ( TWU-IAM ) ruling gave us.
So we should be happy, and accept the fact, that the union that pretends to represent all it's member equally, is at the same time shafting it's new brothers.
Give me a break, we should not only get 100%, we should get 125%, an additional 25% to cover for the years of on the job harassment.
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Attn: Former TWA Employees who are now AA employees (Titles 1-5)
Re: Update on Lawsuit against AA/TWU and what we can do to support our case!
The case is proceeding through the discovery phase with our goal of proving to the court that our case has merit and should overcome AA/TWU's attempt to dismiss. Attorney is requesting that our case be certified as a "class action". Since the Title Groups have different collective bargaining agreements and the plaintiff in this particular case is a Title Ill (Fleet Service Clerk), legally the "class action" can only cover Title Ill.
However, rest assured, if we are successful, this case will serve as a "precedent", and AA/TWU no doubt will have to honor and apply it to all Title Groups!
Although there are no guarantees in the legal system, hopefully justice will prevail in our behalf. In the meantime, there are a few important things we all can do to help our cause.
1. If on the pay roll, you can file an Article 13 seniority Protest form since the Feb.
15, 2005 updated master seniority list in several locations place former TWA employees in IMPROPER sequence with an incorrect system wide seniority number. (See Jetnet - Policy and Procedures - People Reduction - TWU Seniority List - Must file by April 15, 2005.)
2. All Title Groups, whether on payroll or laid off can write a brief, respectful, letter to AA/TWU headquarters, requesting that they reconsider their position and honor our collective bargaining agreement rights. (Example and addresses will follow.)
In response to requests for donations to defer the legal expenses in our case, in the future we may announce an appropriate donation arrangement for those who wish to contribute.
As mentioned previously, there will be no obligation to do so.
Any future information of significance will be forthcoming. Thank you for you attention and support.
Former TWA employees vs. AA/TWU
Example of Letter: (May use your own wording)
I request that you reconsider your position and begin to honor the collective bargaining agreement rights of former TWA employees who are now AA employees (Titles I -5), covered by existing AA/TWU collective bargaining agreements. These rights include relocating to another station without having our occupational seniority reduced, "system protection", including collecting the special moving allowance of $12,500 (if seniority guidelines are met), and the right to be properly placed and numbered on the master seniority list. In doing so you will be "DOING THE RIGHT THING.", and will bring an end to the emotional and financial hardships endured by affected employees. Thank you.
TWU - Names
James C. Little Air Transport Director - TWU . International Vice President
Art Luby TWU Legal Counsel
TWU Addresses
Transport Workers Union of America 1791 Hurstview Dr.
Hurst, TX 76054
AA - Names
Gerald Arpey AA Chairman, Pres. And CEO
James Weel AA Directing Mgr. of Employee Relations
Gary Kennedy AA SVP and Gen!. Counsel (Chief Compliance OfficerBusiness Ethnics)
Jeffrey Brundage, AA SVP - Human Resources
Robin Dotson AA Managing Dir. Of Human Resources
AA - Addresses
Mailing Address:
American Airlines, Inc.
P. O. Box 619616 DFW Airport, TX 75261-9616
Physical Address:
American Airlines, Inc.
4333 Amon Carter Blvd.
Ft. Worth, TX 76155
NOTE: You can also personally deliver or send letter to your local station manager and union
Attention: Former TWA Airline Mechanics, Plant Maintenance, Stock Clerks, Ground Service, and Fleet Service Clerks (Titles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
Re: Major Layoffs in STL, MCIE, and possibly other locations.
American Airlines and the Transport Workers Union of America have not upheld your rights as set forth in the April 15, 2003, AA/TWU Collective Bargaining Agreement. If you are affected by a Reduction-in-Force, you should have the following rights:
1. "Bump" into another station with your established occupational seniority without having your seniority reduced Art.10e (Titles 1,2) Art.10d (Titles 3,4,5) Art 14a (All Titles)
2. System Protection, including the "special moving allowance" of $12,500 (if seniority guidelines are met for your Title Group) Arts. 42 and 44.
3. The right to be properly blended into the master system and station seniority lists.
Please note that in several stations former TWA employees are placed and numbered in incorrect sequence. This is a serious violation because if there is a future reduction in force, the company may lay off such employees in improper sequence! Also, some employees may be incorrectly targeted for displacement on the juniority list by incoming "bumping" employees.
Remember that you have the right to file a grievance to protest such violations and also you can notify AA Business Ethics (817-967-6923) to voice your concern since these violations are discriminatory and directed only toward former TWA employees. The incorrect seniority lists may constitute a "falsification of company records". Check Jet Net for your station list! Also, report any harassment by any company or union representative directed toward you because of being a former TWA employee or for desiring to initiate a grievance.
A former TWA Fleet Service Clerk has filed a civil lawsuit against AA and TWU regarding these violations. The attorney says that this case has merit and can become a "class action" if enough employees express interest. This lawsuit will attempt to cover "similarly situated employees" who were former TWA employees (now AA Title Groups 1-5) and that are covered by AA/TWU collective bargaining agreements and who were awarded their AA occupational seniority per the Kasher Seniority Arbitration Award of April 29, 2002.
Consequently, if you are interested you can access this website to leave your information which will be forwarded to the attorney. (no money or obligation required)
Also, the website will educate you on the several violations involved and the pertinent Articles of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and important statements by Arbitrator Kasher that support and uphold our rights!
Thank you
For those employees who were unable to get the Employee Relocation Expense Statement so that they may file for the $12,500.00 that they are entitled to, here is a copy. Please print it and file it. If your new Manager of Supervisor refuses to sign it file a grievance immediately.
Any employee who has worked at Lambert should read this
I have just spoken to Denise Brock (636-366-4428). If anyone has suffered from cancer or skin cancer. Please call her or email her [email protected] . I have a link to her site as well. http://www.unww.info
The Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act became effective July 31, 2001 that provides for a lump-sum payment of $150,000 and payment of medical expenses to workers, former workers and subcontractors who became ill as a result of their exposure to radiation, beryllium, or silica. Conditions covered under this program are: radiogenic cancers, beryllium diseases and chronic silicosis.
These chemicals were buried at St. Louis Airport Site (SLAPS). This is the fumes that are coming up through the ground grates on the ramp in concourse D. St Louis City officials have known about this and have ignored your health. She is meeting with the attorneys soon so please contact her ASAP. This would include airline employees and Dobbs workers.
No matter where you are on the road!
Remember, The road we walk may seem long but we do not walk alone. God is always with us
Remember, Only those who stand together will stand strong.
One person alone can not win the war.
This site is not affiliated with American Airlines or TWU
Re: Update on Lawsuit against AA/TWU and what we can do to support our case!
The case is proceeding through the discovery phase with our goal of proving to the court that our case has merit and should overcome AA/TWU's attempt to dismiss. Attorney is requesting that our case be certified as a "class action". Since the Title Groups have different collective bargaining agreements and the plaintiff in this particular case is a Title Ill (Fleet Service Clerk), legally the "class action" can only cover Title Ill.
However, rest assured, if we are successful, this case will serve as a "precedent", and AA/TWU no doubt will have to honor and apply it to all Title Groups!
Although there are no guarantees in the legal system, hopefully justice will prevail in our behalf. In the meantime, there are a few important things we all can do to help our cause.
1. If on the pay roll, you can file an Article 13 seniority Protest form since the Feb.
15, 2005 updated master seniority list in several locations place former TWA employees in IMPROPER sequence with an incorrect system wide seniority number. (See Jetnet - Policy and Procedures - People Reduction - TWU Seniority List - Must file by April 15, 2005.)
2. All Title Groups, whether on payroll or laid off can write a brief, respectful, letter to AA/TWU headquarters, requesting that they reconsider their position and honor our collective bargaining agreement rights. (Example and addresses will follow.)
In response to requests for donations to defer the legal expenses in our case, in the future we may announce an appropriate donation arrangement for those who wish to contribute.
As mentioned previously, there will be no obligation to do so.
Any future information of significance will be forthcoming. Thank you for you attention and support.
Former TWA employees vs. AA/TWU
Example of Letter: (May use your own wording)
I request that you reconsider your position and begin to honor the collective bargaining agreement rights of former TWA employees who are now AA employees (Titles I -5), covered by existing AA/TWU collective bargaining agreements. These rights include relocating to another station without having our occupational seniority reduced, "system protection", including collecting the special moving allowance of $12,500 (if seniority guidelines are met), and the right to be properly placed and numbered on the master seniority list. In doing so you will be "DOING THE RIGHT THING.", and will bring an end to the emotional and financial hardships endured by affected employees. Thank you.
TWU - Names
James C. Little Air Transport Director - TWU . International Vice President
Art Luby TWU Legal Counsel
TWU Addresses
Transport Workers Union of America 1791 Hurstview Dr.
Hurst, TX 76054
AA - Names
Gerald Arpey AA Chairman, Pres. And CEO
James Weel AA Directing Mgr. of Employee Relations
Gary Kennedy AA SVP and Gen!. Counsel (Chief Compliance OfficerBusiness Ethnics)
Jeffrey Brundage, AA SVP - Human Resources
Robin Dotson AA Managing Dir. Of Human Resources
AA - Addresses
Mailing Address:
American Airlines, Inc.
P. O. Box 619616 DFW Airport, TX 75261-9616
Physical Address:
American Airlines, Inc.
4333 Amon Carter Blvd.
Ft. Worth, TX 76155
NOTE: You can also personally deliver or send letter to your local station manager and union
Attention: Former TWA Airline Mechanics, Plant Maintenance, Stock Clerks, Ground Service, and Fleet Service Clerks (Titles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
Re: Major Layoffs in STL, MCIE, and possibly other locations.
American Airlines and the Transport Workers Union of America have not upheld your rights as set forth in the April 15, 2003, AA/TWU Collective Bargaining Agreement. If you are affected by a Reduction-in-Force, you should have the following rights:
1. "Bump" into another station with your established occupational seniority without having your seniority reduced Art.10e (Titles 1,2) Art.10d (Titles 3,4,5) Art 14a (All Titles)
2. System Protection, including the "special moving allowance" of $12,500 (if seniority guidelines are met for your Title Group) Arts. 42 and 44.
3. The right to be properly blended into the master system and station seniority lists.
Please note that in several stations former TWA employees are placed and numbered in incorrect sequence. This is a serious violation because if there is a future reduction in force, the company may lay off such employees in improper sequence! Also, some employees may be incorrectly targeted for displacement on the juniority list by incoming "bumping" employees.
Remember that you have the right to file a grievance to protest such violations and also you can notify AA Business Ethics (817-967-6923) to voice your concern since these violations are discriminatory and directed only toward former TWA employees. The incorrect seniority lists may constitute a "falsification of company records". Check Jet Net for your station list! Also, report any harassment by any company or union representative directed toward you because of being a former TWA employee or for desiring to initiate a grievance.
A former TWA Fleet Service Clerk has filed a civil lawsuit against AA and TWU regarding these violations. The attorney says that this case has merit and can become a "class action" if enough employees express interest. This lawsuit will attempt to cover "similarly situated employees" who were former TWA employees (now AA Title Groups 1-5) and that are covered by AA/TWU collective bargaining agreements and who were awarded their AA occupational seniority per the Kasher Seniority Arbitration Award of April 29, 2002.
Consequently, if you are interested you can access this website to leave your information which will be forwarded to the attorney. (no money or obligation required)
Also, the website will educate you on the several violations involved and the pertinent Articles of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and important statements by Arbitrator Kasher that support and uphold our rights!
Thank you
For those employees who were unable to get the Employee Relocation Expense Statement so that they may file for the $12,500.00 that they are entitled to, here is a copy. Please print it and file it. If your new Manager of Supervisor refuses to sign it file a grievance immediately.
Any employee who has worked at Lambert should read this
I have just spoken to Denise Brock (636-366-4428). If anyone has suffered from cancer or skin cancer. Please call her or email her [email protected] . I have a link to her site as well. http://www.unww.info
The Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act became effective July 31, 2001 that provides for a lump-sum payment of $150,000 and payment of medical expenses to workers, former workers and subcontractors who became ill as a result of their exposure to radiation, beryllium, or silica. Conditions covered under this program are: radiogenic cancers, beryllium diseases and chronic silicosis.
These chemicals were buried at St. Louis Airport Site (SLAPS). This is the fumes that are coming up through the ground grates on the ramp in concourse D. St Louis City officials have known about this and have ignored your health. She is meeting with the attorneys soon so please contact her ASAP. This would include airline employees and Dobbs workers.
No matter where you are on the road!
Remember, The road we walk may seem long but we do not walk alone. God is always with us
Remember, Only those who stand together will stand strong.
One person alone can not win the war.
This site is not affiliated with American Airlines or TWU
TIME FOR CHANGE
Veteran
Good luck with the money collection youre going to need it 
PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH
Veteran
- Oct 9, 2003
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This lawsuit is going to go no where. No offense TWA'ers, but the TWU-IAM employees were the only workgroup to follow the ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK(CAB) decision to the letter. NO WHERE in the ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK decision does it say that employees of the airline being bought have the right to FULL seniority. All ALLEGHENY-MOHAWK says is that when the two parties can not come to a consensual seniority agreement, the two parties will submit their case to binding arbitration for settlement. This is exactly what was done in the case of TWA-IAM employees. Any challenges to the Kasher decision will be struck down even if TWA ex-employees can find a judge that will hear their case. Even if the judge rules in TWA employees favor, the decision will be struck down when it goes on an appeal to a higher court.
Now,before you clobber the Princess here, let it be known that I supported giving TWA IAM people at least a ratio(3 or 4 to 1) dovetail with no fences. Most AMFA supporters I know supported something similar,also. It was the TWU "BROTHERS" that wanted to just outright STAPLE TWA people to the bottom of the seniority list. I personally don't like the Kasher decision, because all it did was,create a bigger mess. It is not TWA employees fault that DON CARTY,GERARD ARPEY decided to buy TWA.
Now,before you clobber the Princess here, let it be known that I supported giving TWA IAM people at least a ratio(3 or 4 to 1) dovetail with no fences. Most AMFA supporters I know supported something similar,also. It was the TWU "BROTHERS" that wanted to just outright STAPLE TWA people to the bottom of the seniority list. I personally don't like the Kasher decision, because all it did was,create a bigger mess. It is not TWA employees fault that DON CARTY,GERARD ARPEY decided to buy TWA.
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<_< Thank you Hopeless! I'll copy this and make sure copys get to the appropreate people!!!Hopeful said:
Amazing, they waived their seniority protections in bankruptcy court and they should have been stapled. But the TWU (AFL-CIO) went to binding arbitration with this and Kasher ruled and they still can't accept it. They will never give up in their quest to crap on the nAAtives everywhere in the system. They also are crying for the $12,500. But in order to receive this you have to BE ON PAYROLL before 9/98 I believe it is, not sure of the date. And the TWAers were NOT ON PAYROLL at this time. As a side note, the TWA pilots lost their last lawsuit and now some of them are trying to get their case before the supreme court. Highly doubtful the supreme court will take it because they really don't take such cases. In the unlikely event the TWAers win this lawsuit AA and the TWU will appeal and this process will take years.
The very best thing that could happen at AA is for the management to park every ex-TWA aircraft and LAYOFF EVERY EX-twa employee.
Then AA might actually return to profitability.
Then AA might actually return to profitability.
they already done it, lol. i dont think the couple of thousand twa people that are left are the drain on the airline, lol. i am a x twa mech and if you naatives are worried about this dont be, there have already been several lawsuits and they just get kicked out. the twa people better just forget about it and get on with there lifes because are seniority is gone and it isnt coming back. just like me, lol. i am laid off and probly never coming back and its not by choice.goingboeing said:
goingboeing said:
With the exception of JBLU and LUV , the entire industry is losing Billions in '05. So that can only mean ( according to your logic ) that all ex-TWA are also employed at every other airline.
Pass me the Crack pipe with your finished. :blink:
The Labor Movement might not be dead, but it is moribund. Imagine, what would happen, if you need to take any job action. Will the former TWA workers feel obligated not to cross a picket line?
It is sad that we have arrived at the point where another worker's loss is someone's else gain. Law of the jungle at play here!
We are fighting for crumbs, pathetically waiting, wishing, that someone else misfortunes will save our paycheck.
Management is just loving it...Across the USA.
It is sad that we have arrived at the point where another worker's loss is someone's else gain. Law of the jungle at play here!
We are fighting for crumbs, pathetically waiting, wishing, that someone else misfortunes will save our paycheck.
Management is just loving it...Across the USA.
