Twu Involved In Fraud!

Rusty

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Sep 15, 2003
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1. The ineligibility of 24 retired employees, Attachment B to Investigator’s Rulings;
2. The ineligibility of 20 employees, who have resigned, Attachment C to Investigator’s Rulings;
3. The ineligibility of 144 Fleet Service Clerks, Attachment E to Investigator’s Rulings;
4. The ineligibility of 89 former employees laid-off while on probation without any recall rights, Attachment F to Investigator’s Rulings (AMFA’s Exhibit E – Probationary Layoff –No Recall Rights), (AA’s Exhibit E – Employees laid off from probation);
5. The ineligibility of 4 Management Employees, Attachment G to Investigator’s Rulings;
6. The ineligibility of 1 Former TWA Employee Without an Employer-Employee Relationship With AA And Without Recall Rights, Attachment H to Investigator’s Rulings;
7. The ineligibility of 24 Former Employees Working At Other Airlines, Attachment I to Investigator’s Rulings;
8. The ineligibility of 25 Furloughed Employees Who Have Waived/Declined Recall, Attachment K to Investigator’s Rulings;
9. The ineligibility of 1 Employee Working Outside the Craft or Class, Attachment L to Investigator’s Rulings;
10. The ineligibility of 1 Terminated Employee, Attachment M to Investigator’s Rulings;
11. The ineligibility of 249 Fleet Service Fuelers, Attachment N to Investigator’s Rulings, (AMFA’s Exhibit M – Fleet Service Fueler), (AA’s Exhibit M – Fleet Service Clerk/Fuelers), (AA’s Addendum to Exhibit M, Fuelers);
12. The ineligibility of 366 Cleaners and 149 Janitors, (AMFA’s Schaible (2) Decl. and Schaible (3) Decl);
13. The ineligibility of 244 Miscellaneous Other Exclusions contained within Declarations accompanying AMFA’s April 22, 2004 Challenges and Objections, which were not considered in the Rulings,
a. The ineligibility of 10 additional retired employees not considered in the Rulings,
b. The ineligibility of 104 additional employees who have resigned not considered in the Rulings,
c. The ineligibility of 4 additional Fleet Service Clerks not considered in the Rulings,
d. The ineligibility of 6 additional former employees laid-off while on probation without any recall rights not considered in the Rulings,
e. The ineligibility of 5 additional management employees not considered in the Rulings,
f. The ineligibility of 21 additional Former TWA Employees Without an Employer-Employee Relationship With AA And Without Recall Rights not considered in the Rulings,
g. The ineligibility of 12 additional Former Employees Working At Other Airlines not considered in the Rulings,
h. The ineligibility of 3 additional Deceased Employees not considered in the Rulings,
i. The ineligibility of 65 additional Furloughed Employees Who Have Waived/Declined Recall not considered in the Rulings,
j. The ineligibility of 7 additional Terminated Employee not considered in the Rulings,
k. The ineligibility of 8 additional miscellaneous individuals ineligible for various reasons and not considered in the Rulings.
14. The ineligibility of 1,167 Cabin Cleaning and Lavatory Service Personnel, Attachment O to Investigator’s Rulings,
a. 15 duplicates not removed from Attachment O,
b. 2 additional duplicates not removed from Attachment O,
c. 28 names on eligibility list not removed from Attachment O,
d. 2 names removed from Attachment O but not removed from eligibility list,
e. Double counting of 14 individuals alleged to be Cabin Cleaning and Lavatory Service Personnel who have been counted as Fuelers,
f. 5 ineligible AA employees should not have been added to the AA eligibility list,
g. 1,167 Ineligible Fleet Service Clerks.
15. The ineligibility of 21 Former TWA Furloughees, Attachment P to Investigator’s Rulings;
16. The ineligibility of 46 Individuals from AMFA’s May 24, 2004 Submission, Exhibit “O†entitled “AA Eligibility List – TWA Exhibit D – Additional Info Acquired From,†not considered in the Rulings;
17. The ineligibility of 36 additional retired employees from Flagship News not considered in the Rulings;
18. The ineligibility of 150 additional TWA employees Not on TWU’ Exhibit D and therefore without contractual recall rights, not considered in the Rulings;
 
Rusty there are over 1560 fleet service people still on the list because AA said they should be yet Twscrew maintains that the company is not helping them. Here is what the company said in 2002 about the brake down of craft and class. The employees covered by this application are:
1. American TWA-LLC
Mechanics and Related(2) 13,337 3,292
Fleet Service 13,206 3,082
Stock Clerks 1,382 316

Subsequent Board determinations have redefined the Mechanics and Related Employees craft or class in the airline industry. United Airlines, Inc., 6 NMB 134 (1977). In United, above, the Board stated "it is th[e] functional connection between Mechanic classifications and those employees performing related maintenance operations that has historically formed a basis for their identity as a single craft or class." In addition, the record in this case establishes that the participants, over time, have divided these employees into two crafts or classes, Mechanics and Related Employees and Fleet Service Employees. The Board, therefore, finds that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are: Mechanics and Related Employees and Fleet Service Employees. TWU represents Mechanics and Related Employees and Fleet Service Employees at American. The IAM represents Mechanics and Related Employees and Fleet Service Employees at TWA-LLC.
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The Board has determined that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are Mechanics and Related Employees, and Fleet Service Employees. American Airlines, Inc./TWA Airlines, LLC., 29 NMB 240, 251 (2002).1.
 
Here is some more.

There was a card drive at American Eagle. The twu was allowed to count mechanic and related from two(2) non union bases to suppress a vote of the membership for representation.

When AA bought out TWA the IAM had a card drive and would have had enough cards to have an election but, the twu and IAM made a deal for dues to suppress a vote of the membership for representation. The deal was the twu would represent the IAM members but, the dues money would go to the IAM until the deal was satisfied. There is a write in area for a union that is not listed on the ballot. Would the twu and IAM be afraid of who would have won by write in??? LMAO Ya think!!!! LOL

Now we have thousands of people added to the mechanic craft and class to suppress a vote of the membership for representation. How can anyone support a so called union that would do these things to the membership???

A membership consists of people who may agree or disagree with whom represents them but, they all should agree that only a vote can settle the argument. Any thing less is undemocratic and not what our forfathers fought with there lives to guarantee us.

I am ashamed to even mention that I am a twu member and so should everyone else be ashamed!!!
 
Same old rhetoric, NMB determines Class and Craft!!!! AA submitted employees who fall within the guidelines.

For your information, 99% of the time, once a determination has been decided it is very unlikely it will be overturned. This list is the same as presented before.
 
Checking it Out said:
Same old rhetoric, NMB determines Class and Craft!!!! AA submitted employees who fall within the guidelines.

For your information, 99% of the time, once a determination has been decided it is very unlikely it will be overturned. This list is the same as presented before.
cio, I have not seen a decision yet, have you??? Spin as you like but, the truth is the investigator left out any decision period!!! She said here is a list of potential eligible voters. Perhaps you did not catch that part. Have you ever seen a decision that said anything similar??? I know you have not but, if you are going to lie and say you have, by all means post a link.


Buck, I know the options but, there is only one that will suffice.
 
Rusty;

Another consideration is that TWA owed the IAM hundreds of million$ for the IAM run pension.

Who knows what was suggested to make the IAM back off. Perhaps the potential dues was not enoough to cover the potential pension liability?
 
Bob, all I know is the the hundreds of millions TWA owed the iam run pension scam was written off by dumping down those that had it coming to them. One day I hope we find the rest of the story on the under-table dealings between the twu and the iam. You know, for as long as the twu and iam were enemies it is odd that they are now butties in an effort to save their dues money. They do have a lot in common such as the iam's pension scam and the twu's insurance scams. They are both industrial union cultists so what else is there they could get from a workers back, unbelievable wages and benefits for officers and political agendas that have nothing to do with labor, do I hear more kickbacks? It all brings the industrial union scam cultists together to jump in bed with companies to help drive down labor cost and it's no wonder the afl-cio unions went from 130 million strong to 13 million weak.

Labor has/is taking a new/old direction of unionism (craft unionism) while the airline industry is slow to catch on, yet their industrial unions can and probably already have severely damaged labor across the Nation. When exactly will the cultists come out of their entrenched trance??? Truth doesn't seem to effect those that are paid scam artists in the least. One would think patriotism to union ideals and our forefathers blood would at least make them flinch yet the money and deal cutting must be too overwhelming for them to open their eyes or they could care less about the future of our craft and class or labor as a whole across the nation.

One thing about it though, they have shown us a path never to trod on again and that is why Article 1, Section 9, of the AMFA constitution is so important.
 
The Board has determined that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are Mechanics and Related Employees, and Fleet Service Employees. American Airlines, Inc./TWA Airlines, LLC., 29 NMB 240, 251 (2002).1.
Still no answer for this from CEO. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!!
 
Are there be any twu supporters bold enough to try and defend the people on the list??? Come on now, surely one of you can take a shot at it. They are right up there at the top of this thread, it's easy, just defend who why they should remain on the list of eligible voters. As a matter of fact a true believer would defend them all, any true believers out there? A statement of something similar to "that list is the same old list and there is nothing new on it" will not cut it. These people are on the current up to date list and what is being presented to the NMB as eligible voters.

Will the company continue to commit fraud on the NMB and the mechanic craft and class to save their lapdog union???
 
Tic-Toc-Tic-Toc, over 36 hours and waiting. Come on now, surely there is one of you, who will defend the twu's position of eligible voters?
 
Rusty, half-truths and lies!!!!!!! Amfa never changes!

This list was presented several times to the NMB and was looked at and determined many of the findings were invalid, Amfa continues the path of deception!!!!!!

The time is ticking!!! In a few short hours all the mis-leading rhetoric from Amfa will come to a stand still and they will still not have sufficient interest!!!!

Can you explain why you and the likes of amfa have fabricated this list?
 
Checking it Out said:
Rusty, half-truths and lies!!!!!!! Amfa never changes!

This list was presented several times to the NMB and was looked at and determined many of the findings were invalid, Amfa continues the path of deception!!!!!!

The time is ticking!!! In a few short hours all the mis-leading rhetoric from Amfa will come to a stand still and they will still not have sufficient interest!!!!

Can you explain why you and the likes of amfa have fabricated this list?
Fabricated the list aye? LMAO So thats the twu's stance, that these people are not on the list then, interesting!!!!
 
This list was presented several times to the NMB and was looked at and determined many of the findings were invalid, Amfa continues the path of deception!!!!!!
Can you explain why you and the likes of amfa have fabricated this list?
Hey Rusty can you believe that CEO would make such a statement knowing the entire case will be published on the NMB's web sight proving he is a self serving liar who thinks only about him self. Thanks Kevin for that official Twscrew position. That will work good in the election campaign.The Board has determined that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are Mechanics and Related Employees, and Fleet Service Employees. American Airlines, Inc./TWA Airlines, LLC., 29 NMB 240, 251 (2002).1. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!