TWU Little - Bluff and then Fold!

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Union says it won't sign agreement with American Airlines
04/17/2003

The Transport Workers union briefly considered not signing its concessionary contract Wednesday because it was upset with a lack of disclosure over a company pension plan for executives, but later backed off that stance and simply asked the company to reconsider its actions.
In a flash message to 35,000 ground workers, Jim Little wrote that he was outraged that American didn't reveal a special pension plan for 44 top executives while the union was examining the carrier's finances and business plan. The airline disclosed the pension plan in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing late Tuesday, after the TWU had ratified its concession deal giving back $620 million a year to the company for the next six years.
This fund is the opposite of shared sacrifice and calls into question the basis of each of our contracts. We have signed no new agreement, and in light of the disclosure in AA's SEC filing, we must reconsider whether we will sign off, even if the consequence is a bankruptcy, Mr. Little wrote in a letter posted Thursday afternoon. Unless the Company reforms itself on the issue of executive compensation, there is no basis to cooperate in its effort to survive.
AMR had no immediate comment on Mr. Little's statement. Other carriers such as Delta Air Lines Inc. have created a similar trust for executives.
John Ward, president of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, in a statement Thursday, called the pension trust a slap in the face to every working person who wears an AA uniform.
 

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On 4/17/2003 7:20:12 PM Tulsadriller wrote:

Like I''ve always said, the TWU''s motto should read "Will Fold When Told".

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They tried to get it but the gov notified them that the AMFA locals at Northwest had already trademarked it!
 

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On 4/17/2003 8:26:49 PM AAmech wrote:


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On 4/17/2003 7:20:12 PM Tulsadriller wrote:

Like I''ve always said, the TWU''s motto should read "Will Fold When Told".

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They tried to get it but the gov notified them that the AMFA locals at Northwest had already trademarked it!

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How much are NWA mechanics making?
How many weeks Vacation do they get?
How many holidays do they get?
How much do the get for holiday pay?
Do they get shift differential?
Do they get longevity pay?
Do they get Double Time?
Do they get overtime after 8 hrs?
Do they get overtime for 6th day training?

We have ratified the WORST contract in the industry without even going into BK. Non-union companies have better work rules. This is the worst union on the field bar none! How much did Little and company make off this deal???
 

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Bob,

Can you give us the details on the current proposal NW has offered the AMTs for concessions?

How many are currently on Layoff?

How many NW is going to Layoff?

Does their contract have a No-layoff Clause?

Limits farmouts and who receives the funds first if it is exceeded?



You make a statement and leave out key points.
 

Checking it Out

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Why not sign the agreements and file in court for the money the executives tucked away for themselfs?

I Understand these funds are between 20-40 million.

How about giving these funds back to the Employees.

Is this considered sharing?

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On 4/18/2003 10:02:25 AM Checking it Out wrote:

Bob,

Can you give us the details on the current proposal NW has offered the AMTs for concessions?

How many are currently on Layoff?

How many NW is going to Layoff?

Does their contract have a No-layoff Clause?

Limits farmouts and who receives the funds first if it is exceeded?



You make a statement and leave out key points.


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NWA Airlines is now seeking a concessions from the mechanics because they have to compete against the TWU Industry Leading Concession. Very nice!

CIO, go ahead and try to blame AMFA, your own members are tiring of your lies.

The TWU ILC (Industry Leading Concession) is indeed going to put pressure on all airlines technicians for concessions and also will likely put UAL mechanics out of a job via liquidation. Your damn proud of your union, aren't you?

Speaking of outsourced work. At least we know what the limit is at NWA and the penalty.

I bet you a lunch you cannot even give us either the current AA outsource percentage nor the limit, much less the penalty for violating the non-existence of such data.
 

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In Response,

I believe NW already started mass AMT layoffs and concessions before We came out with our package!

amfa is doing a good job at eliminating the Maintenance bases at NW, United and attempting to eliminate them at AA!

I believe the President of amfa local 33 made the statement; the Aviation industry would be better off if United shuts down.

The TWU believes we should preserve as many jobs as possible, to keep as many Members employed! unlike some other associations!

Outsourcing of work in our agreement is intact and the TWU has the power to enforce these requirements. I believe NW has a 38% cap and will change this to 48% soon and since over 50% of the AMTs our on layoff How much money has amfa received? since the numbers show they have gone over the Limits?

You can go to several sites to see the farmout limits and the TWU does not require their employees to pay for their own grivences in this matter either! unlike others, the Members receive the money if AA violates the contract!


 

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On 4/19/2003 1:00:41 PM Checking it Out wrote:


In Response,

I believe NW already started mass AMT layoffs and concessions before We came out with our package!

amfa is doing a good job at eliminating the Maintenance bases at NW, United and attempting to eliminate them at AA!

I believe the President of amfa local 33 made the statement; the Aviation industry would be better off if United shuts down.

The TWU believes we should preserve as many jobs as possible, to keep as many Members employed! unlike some other associations!

Outsourcing of work in our agreement is intact and the TWU has the power to enforce these requirements. I believe NW has a 38% cap and will change this to 48% soon and since over 50% of the AMTs our on layoff How much money has amfa received? since the numbers show they have gone over the Limits?

You can go to several sites to see the farmout limits and the TWU does not require their employees to pay for their own grivences in this matter either! unlike others, the Members receive the money if AA violates the contract!




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CIO this is part of a dow jones business article date Fri Mar 21st 2003 it and others like it can be found at http://biz.yahoo.com/news/airlines
then search nwac archives

This plainly show the layoffs are due to force majeure which as you already know is completely out of the unions control so stop trying to deflect the travesty the TWU has brought on the industry on to a union that is attempting to hold the line.





The cuts include 2,000 mechanics, 1,400 flight attendants, 630 baggage handlers and customer service agents, 250 pilots, 125 cleaners, 40 stock clerks and 300 management and 150 clerical positions, said Paul Volker, legislative officer for the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association Local 33.

"Clearly, the last two years have been a difficult and painful period for our employees," said Chief Executive Richard Anderson. "Due to the weak demand for business travel which emerged in March 2001, the subsequent impact of the terrorist attacks on the United States in September of that year, and now, armed conflict with Iraq, we have been forced to reduce our work force by some 17,000 employee positions." There will be about 39,000 workers left after the latest round of job cuts are completed.

Mr. Volker said Northwest officials told his union''s leaders earlier Friday that the airline intended to invoke the "force majeure" clauses in its labor contracts. That is the legal term for uncontrollable events that release parties from their contractual obligations. In Northwest''s case, it frees the carrier from union-negotiated agreements related to seniority and work-rules stipulations that can make it difficult to cut jobs.

Analysts said earlier this week that the war could give airlines reason to cut costs via the force majeure clause, which they used after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Most of the major carriers are suffering under excessive labor expenses, poor economic conditions and the decrease in spending by business travelers.
 
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On 4/19/2003 1:00:41 PM Checking it Out wrote:


In Response,

I believe NW already started mass AMT layoffs and concessions before We came out with our package!

amfa is doing a good job at eliminating the Maintenance bases at NW, United and attempting to eliminate them at AA!

I believe the President of amfa local 33 made the statement; the Aviation industry would be better off if United shuts down.

The TWU believes we should preserve as many jobs as possible, to keep as many Members employed! unlike some other associations!

Outsourcing of work in our agreement is intact and the TWU has the power to enforce these requirements. I believe NW has a 38% cap and will change this to 48% soon and since over 50% of the AMTs our on layoff How much money has amfa received? since the numbers show they have gone over the Limits?

You can go to several sites to see the farmout limits and the TWU does not require their employees to pay for their own grivences in this matter either! unlike others, the Members receive the money if AA violates the contract!




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AMFA is not trying to do anything At United or AA, the IAM/TWU UNION MEMBERS are attempting an escape from the bondage of industrial unionism.

You and the TWU distribute T-Shirts with a slogan "I AM THE UNION", and then when these same members have had enough of the TWU Industry Leading Concessions and want OUT, you blame AMFA.

Which is it CIO? Are we the Union or NOT? I also like those skull-n-crossbone "Dead Serious T-shirts", what happened to that "will strike if provoked" snake? Haven't you been provoked yet?

Only a real TWU supporter would think that a union is not made of it's own members. Only a TWU supporter would claim there is some outsourcing limit at AA when there clearly isn't. You and everyone else knows that if there was documented proof of a superior outsource restriction, the "informer" would have showed the world by now. Fact is, there is no such item.

You speak of layoffs and base closures, and yet your own ATD leader has apparently not signed the agreement that you claim saved jobs. You best wait until the company is profitable again before you go off pounding your chest. How does 1371 being RIF'd out of AA Title 1 first, and then moving the System Protection Date to 9/24/1998 "after the fact" equal "TWU saved jobs"?

I guess you consider those that are being laid off out-of-seniority on May 9th expendable?

I thougt the TWU told the OSM's that if AMFA got on the property they would be laid off and NOT represented. And now the TWU RIF's them out in a scheme to circumvent their seniority. I met OSM's with seniority dates of May 1998 that are out of here on May 9th. And then the date of September 24,1998 gets put in place. How does someone with a seniority date earlier than the new "system protection" get RIF'd? Explain that one CIO?

I will say one think about the TWU. They were NOT telling the regular lies when they told the members they would LOWER WAGES if Right-to-Work passed in Oklahoma. Yes Sir CIO, the TWU were men of their word when it comes to screwing the working man alright and lowering wages. BRAVO! Thanks to the TWU, the AFL-CIO has some new statistical data that show wages in Tulsa lowered 17.5% after passage of Right-to-Work. Very Nice indeed.

Let me ask you something, how many overhaul jobs are you willing to save that really get laid off, while forcing liquidation of your own employment and standard of living? Can you put a number on that for us, we would all like to know where you stand?

It appears you favor elimination of in excess of 1400 jobs while lowering our pay/benefits by about 30%. And then use the claim of "saving jobs". Can you gives us some more numbers on your savings? Exaclty how many jobs did you save? Can you put a price per head on that for us also?

How much did we sacrifice so you could maintain that all important "company paid union business"?

Now run off, and have someone clock you in next week while you fail to show up for work!
 
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Hey Checking It Out,

Here is your TWU "saving jobs" in action:

How does 3417 members laid off grab you? And then move the system date to September 24, 1998?

You need to go blow your nose pal, there is obviuolsy some snot that has found it's way to your brain.

Notice the date can be changed without a vote of the membership also!
Read it and weap, then blame AMFA like you always do



[SIZE= 10pt]ARTICLE 42 – JOB SECURITY[/SIZE]
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[color=" black"]ATTACHMENT 42.1 – ONE TIME RELIEF FROM JOB SECURITY PROVISIONS [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"]From: James B. Weel [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]To: James C. Little [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Re: One Time Relief from Job Security Provisions[/color]
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[color=" black"]March 31, 2003 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"]This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on DOS, 2003. [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"]During these negotiations, the parties agreed to lift the system job protection provision of the various agreements to enable the Company to reduce the number of employees in each title group[/color][color=" black"] [/color][color=" black"]by the number required to reach the negotiated costs savings. The chart below illustrates the[/color][color=" black"] [/color][color=" black"]number of reductions by Title Group. Additionally, we have listed the newly established system job protection dates that will be in effect once the reductions associated with the changes have been completed. [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"]Title Group Number of Reductions Title Group Number of Reductions [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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Title I 1371
[color=" black"]Technical Specialists 9 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Title II 0 [/color]
[color=" black"]Flight Dispatchers 5 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Title III 1856[/color]
[color=" black"]Ground/Simulator Instructors 110 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Title IV Included in Title III [/color]
[color=" black"]Meteorologists 0 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Title V 57[/color]
[color=" black"]Simulator Technicians 9 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"]Following the reduction of the above number of employees, the parties agreed to modify the dates of system protection for the remaining employees to the dates indicated below. In addition, the date may be adjusted either backward or forward at the conclusion of the applicable reductions. The new date must be agreed upon by both parties, if not, the dates listed will be imposed. [/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"]Title Groups New System Protection Date [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Title I and Title III September 24, 1998 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[color=" black"]Ground/Simulator Instructors March 01, 1998 [/color][color=" black"][/color]
[SIZE= 12pt]Simulator Technicians August 23, 1999 [/SIZE]
[color=" black"]All Others March 01, 2001[/color][color=" black"][/color]
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[color=" black"](Signed original on file) [/color][color=" black"][/color]