Twu - Local 514 Lies Again!

RV4

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The TWU Local 514 in Tulsa Oklahoma,

has now been caught in another out right LIE!

In the recently distributed "Just the Facts" Document which was distributed base wide in Tulsa by the "mis-informer representatives", the TWU claimed that...

THE LIE - "AMFA Mesaba members have now gone 12 months with no contract".

HERE IS A SCAN OF THE DISTRIBUTED DOCUMENT:
TWU_Justfacts.jpg



AND HERE IS PROOF OF THE TWU LIE,

A SCREEN CAPTURE OF THE AMFA/MESABA LABOR AGREEMENT.

NOTICE THE AMENDABLE DATE OF AUGSUT 16th, 2003
:oops:

Source = http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/10_Publicati...ba_Contract.pdf

See Page 50 of the AMFA/Mesaba Contract

mesaba_amend.jpg


Maybe one of the LIAR's would like to tell us how 3 Days past Amendable Date equals "12 Months without a contract"?

THE TWU CALLS PROVEN LIES "FACTS"
 
This is kind of material a REAL UNION would be presenting REAL UNIONIST istead of fabricated lies, fear, and negative campaigining.

ATTENTION ALL UNION ACTIVIST - FIGHT BACK!

Airline Industry in Tailspin

A wave of layoffs and concessions is sweeping the airline industry. Starting with U.S. Airways last fall, airline management began using the bankruptcy courts to blackmail unions into agreeing to massive wage cuts and sweeping work rule changes. The end result of this process, if it is not halted, will be a transfer of billions of dollars from airline workers to the owners of the industry.

The airline industry is one of the most heavily unionized industries in the U.S.

Pilots at all of the major carriers and the vast majority of the smaller carriers are organized. Flight attendants are organized at all the major airlines, except at Delta and most of the regional and smaller national airlines. In contrast, the rate of unionization for all private sector workers is just over 8%.

Just a few years ago, airline unions were on the move, fighting to gain ground lost in the 1990’s. Pilots and mechanics were finally racking up wage increases in the double-digit range.

Then, a combination of the prolonged recession - when business travel drops and people have less money for vacations - and the downturn in passenger flying following the airplane hijackings in September 2001 shook the industry. According to the Association of Flight Attendants, “the real problem is that $20 billion less in revenue is coming into the United States airline industry today than in 2000.â€

The Drive for Concessions

The airlines are taking advantage of this crisis in the industry to try to beat down the unions, which rank among the most powerful unions in the country. The companies have been chomping at the bit to do this for years, frequently proposing legislation to take away the right to strike for airline workers.

Pilots at major airlines such as United Airlines and U.S. Airways have already agreed to pay cuts of 30% or more. Flight attendants, mechanics and other airline workers have taken large concessions at U.S. Airways and United. Other airlines have jumped on the bandwagon as well. Management at Northwest Airlines, American Airlines, Midwest Express and many other airlines are lining up at the trough and demanding concessions from workers.

The unions are faced with bosses who say, “Agree with these concessions or we will go into bankruptcy court and ask that the union contract be thrown out.†And, for the most part, the unions have been going along with the demands. The airline management is acting like management everywhere - the more workers give them, the more that they want. Without a strategy to halt the givebacks, there appears to be no end in sight.

At U.S. Airways, the pilots’ unions had granted management $646 million in concessions per year before the company filed for bankruptcy. Even those massive concessions where not enough for management. As soon as they had them in their pocket, they headed to bankruptcy court to seek to terminate the pilots’ pension plan. That would mean cuts of up to fifty percent in pension benefits that the pilots had already earned.

At United Airlines, the union heads sold concessions to workers by saying it was better to negotiate the cuts than have the bankruptcy court make the cuts. Flight attendants at United agreed to 9% pay cuts before United went into bankruptcy. Now that they are in bankruptcy, United management keeps turning the screws on the workers. They are seeking more concessions and are seeking to spin off 30% of the domestic flying to a low-wage subsidiary. The end result of these concessions is another massive transfer of wealth.

Roots of the Problem

One root of the problem is a system of labor bargaining that ties workers’ fates to the fate of an individual company and the unions’ failure to prevent the development of a two-tier wage system in the industry.

As with other industries in the United States, unions are forced to bargain with an individual company, rather than by industry. That bargaining system ties the workers’ fate to the success or failure of an individual company. It also prevents a class-wide solution to a problem and allows the companies to pick off workers one by one. So, even in relatively democratic unions such as the pilots and flight attendants, workers will vote for concessions rather than see the company go under. If the company goes under and a pilot or flight attendant has to start at a new carrier, they go to the bottom of the seniority list and pay scale. This puts tremendous pressure on even strong unions to agree to concessions.

A related problem has been the development of a two-tier wage system in the industry. In other industries, such as trucking, unionized companies spun off non-union subsidiaries in a process known as double breasting. Then they paid the non-union drivers far less and spun more and more of the work to them.

The airline industry has seen a similar development. Thus, the unionized American Airlines created American Eagle, where flight crews receive lower wages and have looser work rules, even though they are unionized as well. There has also been the development of lower wage regional and national airlines. These are both union, such as Southwest and ATA, and non-union such as Jet Blue. These lower wage competitors are helping to drive the majors into bankruptcy.

Rather than fight against the development of a two-tier wage system, union heads went along with it, negotiating lower wages at the smaller airlines. Beginning in the 1980’s, pilot unions began tying in the wages of pilots to the size of the aircraft. With bigger and bigger planes, that meant pilot wages for the biggest equipment at the major could go well over $200,000 per year, plus multiple pension plans. At the same time, pilots and flight attendants at the regional airlines could be making $15,000 per year. With such a disparity of labor costs, the high wage airlines over the long run were bound to run into trouble.

Short-term Fight-back and Long-term Strategy Needed

Faced with an employer onslaught towards concessions, an anti-concessions movement is desperately needed in the airline industry. Such a movement would argue against all concessions and advocate class-wide approaches to the attacks. While workers and unions at certain airlines may still agree to concessions, the companies would only get them after a fight. And at many airlines where management is jumping on the concession bandwagon, the take backs can be defeated.

In the longer term, the airline unions, as well as unions in every sector, must develop a strategy to break out of the rigid rules bargaining courts and politicians have straightjacketed unions with. Otherwise, weak unions, fighting company by company, will continue to face permanent replacements, threats of bankruptcy and relocations, and the resulting weak contracts.

To do so will take intense class struggle and engaging in activities ruled illegal by the courts, with a goal of establishing solid industry-wide agreements.

The current state of class conciousness in the industry and among the leadership of the unions is such that this approach will not be adopted in the short run. However, once a broad section of the advanced workers and progressive staff in the industry are won over to the necessity of a strategy, the battle will be half won.
 
j7915 said:
RV4 said:
STRIKE VS. CHAOS ---- CHAOS MORE EFFECTIVE


:shock: CHAOS MORE EFFECTIVE - CONCESSIONS NOT THE ANSWER :shock:


If we only had leaders instead of cowards?
RV4, you want to step up to the leadership position and challenge a judge's ruling from behind bars?

Remember a union is only an agent, just get a better negotiator.
What happened to the unionism of old? Even when I first go involved the old guys had a set. Now all the tWU and it's supporters wan to do is appease the company.

By the way Hopeful; it appears that you have a problem with paying dues or the result when you do? So quit paying.

Is anyone else having problems posting in Kanga roo Court thread?
 
Have you noticed that NOT ONE of the TWU stooges has denied the big LIE?

"JUST THE FACTS".... THEY CANNOT DISPUTE THAT THEY ARE LIARS!
 
ANOTHER ONE THOSE TWU AMAZING FACTS:


The TWU Local 514, for months now has attacked AMFA for the 38% Subcontracting Limit at Northwest Airlines.

Below, you can view the IAM/NWA Subcontracting Language that was in place when AMFA was certified at NWA.

Here is the coover to the IAM/NWA Contract:
IAM_NWA_Contractcover.jpg



And here is the Subcontracting Language that is in the Scope Language of that contract:

IAM_NWA_Subcontracting.jpg



NOTICE Paragraph:

(F) SUBCONTRACTING

Line 29 -Paragraph "c" - The Farm-Out Committee shall be given reasonable advance notice by the Company of all future financially significant subcontracting of aircraft maintenance. The IAM and the Company shall meet and confer to agree upon a threshold of significant dollar value and/or man hours that will serve to trigger the required notice.

QUESTIONS FOR THE TWU ADVOCATES AND LIARS:

Which would you rather have if you worked at NWA? Language that LIMITS Subcontracting to 38%, or language guarantees you will be advanced notice that your job is being outsourced?

Please scan for us or post the LANGUAGE in the TWU/AA that "LIMITS" Outsource of work in anyway?

Provide us the details on Arbitrations won/lost regarding the outsource of work at American Airlines using the "superior" TWU Subcontracting Language? I hear G.T. Bunch just lost a big one in arbitration, and so have other Officers of Local 514 obtained a losing record on this issue? "JUST THE FACTS" please.
 
Thats funny, if the new scope agreement is so superior, then why did the amfa lawyer Seham testify in the NWA PEB that the new scope clause "allows outsourcing at levels comfortably above the old IAM contract"?[/B]
 
AAmech said:
Thats funny, if the new scope agreement is so superior, then why did the amfa lawyer Seham testify in the NWA PEB that the new scope clause "allows outsourcing at levels comfortably above the old IAM contract"?[/B]
Do you have a reference or document proving this claim?

I will give you links to the transcripts of the PEB Hearings, give us a Transcript date, page number, and line number for all to read...

Here is the link to obtain the transcripts:

http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/08_NWA_Archi...WAarchive2.html

This should be easy for you to prove, right? The transcripts are available in PDF format and ALL PDF readers have a search function in the software.

I mean since all of the transcripts are available on-line at the link above, and you have now "QUOTED" Mr. Seham, direct us to your proof.

Is this another one of your "Just the Facts" statements? Because I simply ran a search on each and every transcript, I searched the word "outsourcing" and the word "allows" from the QUOTE you provided. Each and every document search results were the same:

"No Occurrences of:

outsourcing

were found in the document"

And all occurences of "allows" were not related to outsourcing statements.

I'm afraid you are nothing more than a common liar! And proven to be so with ease. :shock:
 
AAmech said:
Thats funny, if the new scope agreement is so superior, then why did the amfa lawyer Seham testify in the NWA PEB that the new scope clause "allows outsourcing at levels comfortably above the old IAM contract"?[/B]
Also, I requested proof that the TWU/AA Labor Agreement has outsource limit language that is superior language to the AMFA/NWA language, not another "that's funny" statement?

Care to provide us details?
 
I understand this was an error, It should have read this I believe,



Mesaba- AMFA exchanged contract openers May 20, 2003, Their Contract became amendable August 16, Currently AMFA meets about 3 days a month with little knowledge being passed out about the Contract discussions. Will this go on for another 12 months?




TWU SOLIDARITY!
 
Checking it Out said:
I understand this was an error, It should have read this I believe,



Mesaba- AMFA exchanged contract openers May 20, 2003, Their Contract became amendable August 16, Currently AMFA meets about 3 days a month with little knowledge being passed out about the Contract discussions. Will this go on for another 12 months?




TWU SOLIDARITY!
CIO,

You are getting pretty BOLD with those LIES of yours.

Here is the latest update:

http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/06_News&Info...r%208-14-03.pdf

How many OBSERVERS does the TWU have in their negotiations?


Secret Meetings, Secret Negotiations, leads to INDUSTRY LEADING CONCESSIONS.

I wish our last TWU negotiations were still going on, and took 12 months. I would be making more money, have some vacation left, and wouldn't have to work the upcoming Columbus Day or the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Without a doubt though, the TWU set record for "QUICK" negotiations. Too bad it screwed us ALL.
 
Checking it Out said:
Please explain which Part of my Post is a Lie?
CIO,

If you are so blinded by the head lights of the bus union that you cannot even see your own lies, we cannot help you. Open your mind.

You call your lies an "error", you must be a pathological errorist?
 
RV4 said:
CIO,

If you are so blinded by the head lights of the bus union that you cannot even see your own lies, we cannot help you. Open your mind.

You call your lies an "error", you must be a pathological errorist?
RV4 AKA SCO

Dave when you accuse someone of lying then the accuser, that's you, has to present the evidence that he alledges is false. So do it!
 

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