TWU Unfinished Business

[Overspeed]

The CBA officially was ratified over one year ago and the locals realigned thereafter. The members need answers on the CBA, BK loose ends, and the Alliance and more.

The CBA has clauses for gain sharing for both the Base and the Line which would put more money in our pockets. What's going on?

The Equity Share Distribution meetings happened in the field with the Committee Members but now we have letters from 591 saying they are asking for answers when people like Peterson were on the Committee? Can't they explain what they rolled out?

What is the status of the Company Match? Even if the explanation Bob has given is accurate does that mean there is no ruling from Lane on the 1114? Can he legally stall forever? Where are the TWU legal experts? Can't our local officers ask for a legal opinion?

And what about the members questions on various aspects of the alliance and the how we will be impacted by the merger?

Will the local be coming out to the field and hold face to face discussions with the members who elected them? We need answers!

 

[OldGuy@AA]

The CBA officially was ratified over one year ago and the locals realigned thereafter. The members need answers on the CBA, BK loose ends, and the Alliance and more.

The CBA has clauses for gain sharing for both the Base and the Line which would put more money in our pockets. What's going on?

The Equity Share Distribution meetings happened in the field with the Committee Members but now we have letters from 591 saying they are asking for answers when people like Peterson were on the Committee? Can't they explain what they rolled out?

What is the status of the Company Match? Even if the explanation Bob has given is accurate does that mean there is no ruling from Lane on the 1114? Can he legally stall forever? Where are the TWU legal experts? Can't our local officers ask for a legal opinion?

And what about the members questions on various aspects of the alliance and the how we will be impacted by the merger?

Will the local be coming out to the field and hold face to face discussions with the members who elected them? We need answers!

The CBA that was voted on had many blank pages where work rules should have been.  AA is writing these as they go along to maximize the punishment on the TWU members.
     As far as the company match, the TWU retirees were the only ones allowed representation during the hearing.  The members who are still working did not have a voice.  But it is a good question as to why a judge can refuse to rule on something.  I feel like if the TWU wanted the ruling they could appeal to somebody.  But who knows?
     The gain sharing is another joke.  AA management has refused to talk about it.  Since this is part of the contract and we were supposed to have meetings within 6 months and a deal within 18 months then the question to ask is why isn't the TWU going after the company for disregarding this part of the contract?  It seems we either abide by the whole thing or nothing at all.  Were I Lombardo I would look into a way to abolish the whole thing since AA can't pick and choose what they will adhere to and what they won't.  They have violated the contract and should be fined at least.  
     The alliance is going to be jammed down our throats.  Neither the TWU nor the IAM will allow anyone to escape their clutches.  There is a way to think of this.  When an employee group has two unions they don't have one.
     This just shows that we are in dire need of a union that will look out for it's members.  The international has not suffered by any of these actions but the members have.  This shows the TWU international couldn't care less about the membership.

 

[comatose]

The CBA officially was ratified over one year ago and the locals realigned thereafter. The members need answers on the CBA, BK loose ends, and the Alliance and more.

The CBA has clauses for gain sharing for both the Base and the Line which would put more money in our pockets. What's going on?

The Equity Share Distribution meetings happened in the field with the Committee Members but now we have letters from 591 saying they are asking for answers when people like Peterson were on the Committee? Can't they explain what they rolled out?

What is the status of the Company Match? Even if the explanation Bob has given is accurate does that mean there is no ruling from Lane on the 1114? Can he legally stall forever? Where are the TWU legal experts? Can't our local officers ask for a legal opinion?

And what about the members questions on various aspects of the alliance and the how we will be impacted by the merger?

Will the local be coming out to the field and hold face to face discussions with the members who elected them? We need answers!

 
 
Funny how the International is asking the locals for answers.
Duck, duck, dodge, dodge.
Any way to hide the information from the membership is the TWU way.

 

[Overspeed]

The CBA that was voted on had many blank pages where work rules should have been.  AA is writing these as they go along to maximize the punishment on the TWU members.
     As far as the company match, the TWU retirees were the only ones allowed representation during the hearing.  The members who are still working did not have a voice.  But it is a good question as to why a judge can refuse to rule on something.  I feel like if the TWU wanted the ruling they could appeal to somebody.  But who knows?
     The gain sharing is another joke.  AA management has refused to talk about it.  Since this is part of the contract and we were supposed to have meetings within 6 months and a deal within 18 months then the question to ask is why isn't the TWU going after the company for disregarding this part of the contract?  It seems we either abide by the whole thing or nothing at all.  Were I Lombardo I would look into a way to abolish the whole thing since AA can't pick and choose what they will adhere to and what they won't.  They have violated the contract and should be fined at least.  
     The alliance is going to be jammed down our throats.  Neither the TWU nor the IAM will allow anyone to escape their clutches.  There is a way to think of this.  When an employee group has two unions they don't have one.
     This just shows that we are in dire need of a union that will look out for it's members.  The international has not suffered by any of these actions but the members have.  This shows the TWU international couldn't care less about the membership.

Has anyone heard of a 29d being filed if the company is stalling?

 

[comatose]

Has anyone heard of negotiating a CBA with complete language before putting it up for membership approval/disapproval?

 

[Frank Szabo]

The CBA officially was ratified over one year ago and the locals realigned thereafter. The members need answers on the CBA, BK loose ends, and the Alliance and more.

The CBA has clauses for gain sharing for both the Base and the Line which would put more money in our pockets. What's going on?

The Equity Share Distribution meetings happened in the field with the Committee Members but now we have letters from 591 saying they are asking for answers when people like Peterson were on the Committee? Can't they explain what they rolled out?

What is the status of the Company Match? Even if the explanation Bob has given is accurate does that mean there is no ruling from Lane on the 1114? Can he legally stall forever? Where are the TWU legal experts? Can't our local officers ask for a legal opinion?

And what about the members questions on various aspects of the alliance and the how we will be impacted by the merger?

Will the local be coming out to the field and hold face to face discussions with the members who elected them? We need answers!

Is your post an actual attempt to ask real and probing questions of those you've supported and trusted with your livelihood for years or am I not seeing your attempt at satire or sarcasm?

 

[Bob Owens]

The CBA officially was ratified over one year ago and the locals realigned thereafter. The members need answers on the CBA, BK loose ends, and the Alliance and more.
The CBA has clauses for gain sharing for both the Base and the Line which would put more money in our pockets. What's going on?
The Equity Share Distribution meetings happened in the field with the Committee Members but now we have letters from 591 saying they are asking for answers when people like Peterson were on the Committee? Can't they explain what they rolled out?
What is the status of the Company Match? Even if the explanation Bob has given is accurate does that mean there is no ruling from Lane on the 1114? Can he legally stall forever? Where are the TWU legal experts? Can't our local officers ask for a legal opinion?
And what about the members questions on various aspects of the alliance and the how we will be impacted by the merger?
Will the local be coming out to the field and hold face to face discussions with the members who elected them? We need answers!

So for months you advocated and defended this deal now you are asking for answers to all the stuff your pal Don left blank? Explain how the gain sharing as written puts money in our members pockets. More blank pages. 514 did not go through a realignment yet they have not formulated anything for gain sharing either, why? Because the language is toothless and requires that for the worst contract in the industry we commit to make AA the best in the industry. It doesn't say what we get in return or what we have to do.

Although they were charged with rolling out the equity plan it was not put together by the committee. If you recall Peterson advocated rejecting the whole deal. The questions are being generated now because the information given to the committee for distribution was unclear nd overly complicated. When members got their shares and pluged them into the formula they came up short. It was not clear that the numbers would not be known until the end ofthe 120 Day period. It was not clear, even your sidekick Nyer is still saying we are to get 4.8% of the 72%. Well based upon what we got being 52% of what we could be getting we are not getting 4.8% of the 72%.

 

[Bob Owens]

Has anyone heard of a 29d being filed if the company is stalling?

And what would the remedy sought be? The only thing that's clear is that we must commit to make AA best in class. This was Videtichs baby. He had egg on his face from selling PLI, JLT, Working Together and any other BS program they could think of to increase productivity for the company with zero upside for the members except additional job losses. When he asked Weel about how much credit we were to get for the hundreds of millions in additional savings we gave with these un negotiated cvoncessions and Weel said "Nothing, the oil companies took all those savings" Don was dumbfounded. Everything he claimed about the upside of kissing the companys ass was disproven and everything I said was verified. So he came up with this BS language to try and continue to negotiate concessions outside of negotiations and membership ratification votes and try and force the company to fork over at least a few face saving pennies for those concessions.

 

[swamt]

And you guys are still with the TWU.  Amazing!!!

 

[1AA]

And what would the remedy sought be? The only thing that's clear is that we must commit to make AA best in class. This was Videtichs baby. He had egg on his face from selling PLI, JLT, Working Together and any other BS program they could think of to increase productivity for the company with zero upside for the members except additional job losses. When he asked Weel about how much credit we were to get for the hundreds of millions in additional savings we gave with these un negotiated cvoncessions and Weel said "Nothing, the oil companies took all those savings" Don was dumbfounded. Everything he claimed about the upside of kissing the companys ass was disproven and everything I said was verified. So he came up with this BS language to try and continue to negotiate concessions outside of negotiations and membership ratification votes and try and force the company to fork over at least a few face saving pennies for those concessions.

And What is Don doing these days? How is Gless coping with the boys in NY?
I think these two guys burned the bridges they crossed more than one time.

 

[Bob Owens]

One is back at work and the other has not returned to work under the deal he crafted.
 
Don't feel bad for them having to live under what they said we should agree to live under, they will still make out, both are still going to get their AA pension based on their earnings as reported by the TWU up to the freeze date and their TWU pension with a 2.5 multiplier based on their best year. Their pensions will be much much more than ours. Its likely that their total pension income will be greater than their incomes working under the deal they crafted and put in place for us.
 
By freezing the pension instead of allowing AA to terminate it we saved the generous pensions from AA that International employees from AA get, our pensions fell well beneath the PBGC cap and would be the same either way. AA had $5 billion in cash and enough to not only satisfy all unsecured creditors but also give shareholders equity as well, AA would not have been allowed to dump a huge unfunded liability on the PBGC without making them the new owners of AA at the expense of shareholders and all other unsecured creditors.  

 

[Overspeed]

Is your post an actual attempt to ask real and probing questions of those you've supported and trusted with your livelihood for years or am I not seeing your attempt at satire or sarcasm?

 
Real questions. Still waiting for answers.

 

[comatose]

 
Real questions. Still waiting for answers.

So answer my question, Mr. TWU supporter.
 
Ever heard of a CBA brought back to the membership with complete and final language.
 
If this was ever practiced by the TWU.....well I could dream couldn't I.....it sure as hell wouldn't be a forum thread.

 

[Overspeed]

So answer my question, Mr. TWU supporter.
 
Ever heard of a CBA brought back to the membership with complete and final language.
 
If this was ever practiced by the TWU.....well I could dream couldn't I.....it sure as hell wouldn't be a forum thread.

 
The contract is complete, it has final language that outlines the creation of committees for OT rules, FT rules, and Gain Sharing. Now the Locals have to sit down with AA and finalize these clauses. Instead our local reps seem to be too busy writing bylaws that gave themselves raises, talking smack about reps that are no longer with the ATD, and hoping TUL will close.

 

[Rogallo]

And you guys are still with the TWU.  Amazing!!!

You can't fix stupid!