U.S. ready to aid airlines if Iraq conflict hurts

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U.S. ready to aid airlines if Iraq conflict hurts
Tuesday March 18, 12:25 pm ET
WASHINGTON, March 18 (Reuters) - The Bush administration stands ready to aid the ailing U.S. airline industry if it suffers further from a conflict in Iraq, U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said on Tuesday.
We will be ready to move very quickly if the need arises, Mineta told an aviation industry conference. He declined to elaborate on what measures the administration could take.
The leading association for the major U.S. airlines said last week that an Iraq war lasting 90 days could prompt an annual industry loss of $10.7 billion, more bankruptcies, and cost 70,000 jobs.
Mineta said the government was focused on how to aid the industry, trying to ensure that we are prepared for any outcome. He said the administration was in daily contact with airline executives.
President George W. Bush gave Iraqi President Saddam Hussein until late Wednesday U.S. time to leave the country or face an invasion to eliminate alleged stores of weapons of mass destruction.
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030318/airlines_ir...q_mineta_1.html
 

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On 3/18/2003 12:19:48 PM RV4 wrote:

Nationalization of the industry could be coming soon!

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I dont see that.
I cant believe that you are advocating Socialism-Govt ownership of the means of production.
What I see is the govt providing assistance to pay Bush's buddies in the oil business their profiteering spoils. Notice how little attention is paid to the doubling of oil prices? These guys are cashing in on the current crisis, thwarting consumption through out the entire economy to a greater degree than any tax increase (which in theory would be returned through services) by diverting disposable income towards energy costs (which goes into the pockets of oilmen) but nobody is saying anything! Its all the greedy workers fault?!! The govt will provide assistance so the airlines can pay the oil companies but would let the whole industry go under before it provides assistance to pay the employees. Unbelievable!!!

Gee that three hundred dollar Tax rebate that Bush gave me will come in handy after he forces me to take a 14% paycut!!Are we happy with Bush's economic policies yet?
 

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On 3/19/2003 8:36:22 AM Bob Owens wrote:

I dont see that.
I cant believe that you are advocating Socialism-Govt ownership of the means of production.
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And since when does making a statement of belief constitute advocating something?

Is it safe to say that all statements you make are now an advocation?

You would likely be in violation of the TWU Constitution and your oath if this is the case.

I didn't advocate Jack $hit Bob, I simply made a statement...

Read the difference:

ad•vo•cate

Pronunciation: (
—v.ad'vu-kAt";
—n.ad'vu-kit, -kAt"),
—v., -cat•ed, -cat•ing,
—n.

—v.t.
to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument; recommend publicly: He advocated higher salaries for teachers.

state•ment

Pronunciation: (stAt'munt),
—n.
1. something stated.
2. a communication or declaration in speech or writing, setting forth facts, particulars, etc.
3. a single sentence or assertion: I agree with everything you said except for your last statement.
4. Com.an abstract of an account, as one rendered to show the balance due.
5. an appearance of a theme, subject, or motif within a musical composition.
6. the act or manner of stating something.


Show me where I have spoken or posted in favor of Socialism-Govt ownership of the airlines Bob?​
 

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Reality Check: A New American Century
CBC News Online / March 17, 2003


As the U.S. edges closer to war with Iraq, some are wondering whether the conflict could have been avoided. As the CBC Reality Check team found, the current course of events has been carefully planned by a powerful group of men, beginning even before George Bush assumed the U.S. presidency.
George W. Bush, presidential candidate, said on Oct. 11, 2000.
"I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the world saying, ''We do it this way, so should you.''"

Read the entire story here: [url="http://www.cbc.ca/news/iraq/issues_analysis/realitycheck030317.html"]http://www.cbc.ca/news/iraq/issues_analysi...heck030317.html[/URL]
 

RV4

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On 3/19/2003 8:36:22 AM Bob Owens wrote:

Gee that three hundred dollar Tax rebate that Bush gave me will come in handy after he forces me to take a 14% paycut!!Are we happy with Bush''s economic policies yet?

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Bob,

I have listened to you #### about Bush for sometime, and now you blame him for forcing you to take a 14% paycut. When is that going to happen Bob? Next week, Next Year,When? Are you talking about the TWU negotiating you a paycut, or is there something I don''t know about coming soon? If it is the TWU, then what happened to that powerful seperate local and seperate negotiations policy that you guys all bought into?

You sound just like Tom Puff Daschle to me.

Please provide us your detailed economic and tax policy that would set us all on a path of wealth and prosperity? After review, I might just support you for political office and give you a chance to implement your poilcy.

Why is it always someone else to blame with most liberals?
 

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George W. Bush, presidential candidate, said on Oct. 11, 2000.
"I think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly American is for us to go around the world saying, 'We do it this way, so should you.'"

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On March 17, 2003 George W. Bush said:

My fellow citizens, events in Iraq have now reached the final days of decision. For more than a decade, the United States and other nations have pursued patient and honourable efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime without war. That regime pledged to reveal and destroy all of its weapons of mass destruction as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
Since then, the world has engaged in 12 years of diplomacy. We have passed more than a dozen resolutions in the United Nations Security Council. We have sent hundreds of weapons inspectors to oversee the disarmament of Iraq. Our good faith has not been returned. The Iraqi regime has used diplomacy as a ploy to gain time and advantage. It has uniformly defied Security Council resolutions demanding full disarmament.
Over the years, UN weapons inspectors have been threatened by Iraqi officials, electronically bugged and systematically deceived. Peaceful efforts to disarm the Iraq regime have failed again and again because we are not dealing with peaceful men. Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people.
The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends and it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al-Qaeda.
The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country or any other. The United States and other nations did nothing to deserve or invite this threat, but we will do everything to defeat it. Instead of drifting along toward tragedy, we will set a course toward safety.
Before the day of horror can come, before it is too late to act, this danger will be removed. The United States of America has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own national security. That duty falls to me as commander-in-chief by the oath I have sworn, by the oath I will keep.
Recognizing the threat to our country, the United States Congress voted overwhelmingly last year to support the use of force against Iraq.
America tried to work with the United Nations to address this threat because we wanted to resolve the issue peacefully. We believe in the mission of the United Nations.
One reason the UN was founded after the Second World War was to confront aggressive dictators actively and early, before they can attack the innocent and destroy the peace.
In the case of Iraq, the Security Council did act in the early 1990s. Under Resolutions 678 and 687, both still in effect, the United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.
This is not a question of authority, it is a question of will. Last September, I went to the UN General Assembly and urged the nations of the world to unite and bring an end to this danger. On Nov. 8, the Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441, finding Iraq in material breach of its obligations and vowing serious consequences if Iraq did not fully and immediately disarm.
Today, no nation can possibly claim that Iraq has disarmed. And it will not disarm so long as Saddam Hussein holds power.
For the last four and a half months, the United States and our allies have worked within the Security Council to enforce that council's long-standing demands. Yet some permanent members of the Security Council have publicly announced that they will veto any resolution that compels the disarmament of Iraq. These governments share our assessment of the danger, but not our resolve to meet it.
Many nations, however, do have the resolve and fortitude to act against this threat to peace, and a broad coalition is now gathering to enforce the just demands of the world. The United Nations Security Council has not lived up to its responsibilities, so we will rise to ours.
In recent days, some governments in the Middle East have been doing their part. They have delivered public and private messages urging the dictator to leave Iraq so that disarmament can proceed peacefully. He has thus far refused.
All the decades of deceit and cruelty have now reached an end. Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict commenced at a time of our choosing. For their own safety, all foreign nationals, including journalists and inspectors, should leave Iraq immediately.
Many Iraqis can hear me tonight in a translated radio broadcast, and I have a message for them: If we must begin a military campaign, it will be directed against the lawless men who rule your country and not against you. As our coalition takes away their power, we will deliver the food and medicine you need. We will tear down the apparatus of terror and we will help you to build a new Iraq that is prosperous and free.
In free Iraq there will be no more wars of aggression against your neighbours, no more poison factories, no more executions of dissidents, no more torture chambers and rape rooms. The tyrant will soon be gone. The day of your liberation is near.
It is too late for Saddam Hussein to remain in power. It is not too late for the Iraq military to act with honor and protect your country, by permitting the peaceful entry of coalition forces to eliminate weapons of mass destruction. Our forces will give Iraqi military units clear instructions on actions they can take to avoid being attack and destroyed. I urge every member of the Iraqi military and intelligence services: If war comes, do not fight for a dying regime that is not worth your own life.
And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning: in any conflict, your fate will depend on your actions. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted, war criminals will be punished and it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders."
Should Saddam Hussein choose confrontation, the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war and every measure will be taken to win it. Americans understand the costs of conflict because we have paid them in the past. War has no certainty except the certainty of sacrifice.
Yet the only way to reduce the harm and duration of war is to apply the full force and might of our military, and we are prepared to do so. If Saddam Hussein attempts to cling to power, he will remain a deadly foe until the end.
In desperation, he and terrorist groups might try to conduct terrorist operations against the American people and our friends. These attacks are not inevitable. They are, however, possible. And this very fact underscores the reason we cannot live under the threat of blackmail. The terrorist threat to America and the world will be diminished the moment that Saddam Hussein is disarmed.
Our government is on heightened watch against these dangers. Just as we are preparing to ensure victory in Iraq, we are taking further actions to protect our homeland.
In recent days, American authorities have expelled from the country certain individuals with ties to Iraqi intelligence services. Among other measures, I have directed additional security at our airports and increased Coast Guard patrols of major seaports. The Department of Homeland Security is working closely with the nation's governors to increase armed security at critical facilities across America.
Should enemies strike our country, they would be attempting to shift our attention with panic and weaken our morale with fear. In this, they would fail. No act of theirs can alter the course or shake the resolve of this country. We are a peaceful people, yet we are not a fragile people. And we will not be intimidated by thugs and killers. If our enemies dare to strike us, they and all who have aided them will face fearful consequences.
We are now acting because the risks of inaction would be far greater. In one year, or five years, the power of Iraq to inflict harm on all free nations would be multiplied many times over. With these capabilities, Saddam Hussein and his terrorist allies could choose the moment of deadly conflict when they are strongest. We choose to meet that threat now where it arises, before it can appear suddenly in our skies and cities.
The cause of peace requires all free nations to recognize new and undeniable realities. In the 20th century, some chose to appease murderous dictators whose threats were allowed to grow into genocide and global war.
In this century, when evil men plot chemical, biological and nuclear terror, a policy of appeasement could bring destruction of a kind never before seen on this earth. Terrorists and terrorist states do not reveal these threats with fair notice in formal declarations. And responding to such enemies only after they have struck first is not self defense. It is suicide. The security of the world requires disarming Saddam Hussein now.
As we enforce the just demands of the world, we will also honor the deepest commitments of our country.
Unlike Saddam Hussein, we believe the Iraqi people are deserving and capable of human liberty, and when the dictator has departed, they can set an example to all the Middle East of a vital and peaceful and self-governing nation.
The United States with other countries will work to advance liberty and peace in that region. Our goal will not be achieved overnight, but it can come over time. The power and appeal of human liberty is felt in every life and every land, and the greatest power of freedom is to overcome hatred and violence, and turn the creative gifts of men and women to the pursuits of peace. That is the future we choose.
Free nations have a duty to defend our people by uniting against the violent, and tonight, as we have done before, America and our allies accept that responsibility.
Good night, and may God continue to bless America
 

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Reality Check: A New American Century
CBC News Online / March 17, 2003


As the U.S. edges closer to war with Iraq, some are wondering whether the conflict could have been avoided.
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Give your details about how we could have avoided this war?

How many other politcial quotes can we find that are pre-9/11 that would be spoken different today?

I see you have returned to your old ways of turning aviation related threads into anti-Republican Rhetoric. OK I will help get a thread shut-down again!
 
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On 3/19/2003 4:44:19 PM RV4 wrote:



And since when does making a statement of belief constitute advocating something?


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That is an interesting statement since more than once I made a "statement of belief" that you disagreed with and you called me a "TWU lapdog", which to me means advocating the TWU party line.
 

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On 3/19/2003 6:43:35 PM will fix for food wrote:



That is an interesting statement since more than once I made a "statement of belief" that you disagreed with and you called me a "TWU lapdog", which to me means advocating the TWU party line.

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lapdog means advocate? Huh, OK, I apologize to you.
 

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Well, it''s on; the President will be on at 2215EDT.

For those engaged: God Bless, Good Hunting and Safe Home.

For those of us at home, hang on; for a 25 cent ride, things are gonna'' get real interesting.

Regards & God Bless America,
Boomer
 
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On 3/18/2003 12:19:48 PM RV4 wrote:

Nationalization of the industry could be coming soon!

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RV4(Dave),

American(AMTRAK)Airlines !!

(Be CAREFUL with your reply Dave, I''m a HUGE AMTRAK fan)


NH/BB''s
 

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Not doing this or doing that will change the opinion of the U.S.A. We are hated regardless. And regardless of how some nations feel about us, i''m still proud to be an American.
 

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Such hypocrisy, Mr. Owens. You seem to know your facts and therefore you should remember that in the first Gulf War, the UN resolution was to just LIBERATE KUWAIT. That's what "POPPY" did. He did exactly what the UN said he was to do. And if he marched into Baghdad and removed Saddam, you would have been among the first to decry "Poppy's" disregard for international law. Funny thing you mention Jimmy Carter. He was instrumental in weakening the CIA and FBI. Maybe it was Jimmy Carter who caused 9/11! Peanut oil: YES!
 
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