Ua Seeks 6 Month Extension For Reorg

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I'm glad that they are taking full advantage of ch11 and not rushing things. Sounds like October will be a big month for details to be released.

Keep up the great work! :up:

WASHINGTON -- UAL Corp. (UALAQ), the parent of United Airlines, is asking the bankruptcy court overseeing its case for six more months to file a Chapter 11 reorganization plan without the threat of other parties filing plans for the carrier.

According to a motion filed late Monday and obtained by Dow Jones Newswires, UAL is asking the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Chicago to extend the company's exclusive period to file a plan through April 6. If UAL files a plan by that date, other parties would be further prohibited from filing plans through June 7 while the carrier solicits votes for its plan.

In a prior extension, the airline's exclusive plan-filing period is set to expire Oct. 6.

The Chicago bankruptcy court is scheduled to consider the proposed extension at a hearing Sept. 19. Interested parties may file objections through Friday.

In its motion, UAL said it has accomplished "a great deal" since filing for bankruptcy protection at the end of 2002. Among its successes the carrier cited its debtor-in-possession financing agreement, the preservation of tax benefits known as operating loss carryforwards, the implementation of a key employee retention plan, and constant interaction with creditors.

Despite the size and complexity of the case, the filing said, the airline has already successfully stabilized its business and achieved "substantial" cost savings. Specifically, the motion said, United Airlines is on track to reduce its costs by $5 billion annually - almost one-third of its 2002 operating expenses.

UAL said, however, that several matters must become clear before the company will be in a position to file a reorganization plan. Some of those matters include UAL's efforts to adjust cost and capital structure, the evolution of the company's relationships with their business partners, pension and retiree liabilities, efforts to secure exit financing and the total amount of claims against the carrier's estate, the motion said.

The filing said that UAL is working with its committee of unsecured creditors and other parties - as well as potential capital market participants - to develop exit financing and to solicit views about an optimal business plan. UAL said it can hope to secure exit financing to fund a reorganization plan only after the company has "greater clarity" about its pension and retiree liabilities.

"Once these issues are more fully resolved and their impact is clear to (UAL) and potential exit lenders, (UAL) will have the information necessary to determine their path" to exit bankruptcy with greater certainty, the company said in the motion. The airline said that a premature end to the exclusive plan-filing period would compromise UAL's previous achievements during the Chapter 11 process.

In the motion, the carrier noted that its earnings from operations in July of $35 million marked "a significant turnaround from July 2002."

UAL said in the filing Monday that the "sheer size" of its business operations and finances "resulted in one of the largest and most administratively complex Chapter 11 cases ever filed." As a result, the airline said, it must devote "considerable resources simply to manage" the case appropriately.

The company also cited the war in Iraq, continuing unrest in the Middle East and the U.S. economy as factors contributing to uncertainty in its revenue environment. The motion said UAL believes that "more actual results over the coming months, as opposed to projections, will provide greater guidance" to the company and potential exit lenders about the durability of its business plan.

UAL listed assets of $84.3 million and debts of $126.6 million as of Sept. 30, 2002, when it filed for bankruptcy protection Dec. 9, 2002. United Airlines listed assets of $22.73 billion and debts of $21.48 billion as of the same date in another Chapter 11 filing Dec. 9.

-By Nicholas P. Braude; Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-1355; [email protected]
 
sorry to say this, but this is not positive news for UAL. Spin, twist or bend the words as much as you'd like but UAL's house is NOT in order.

good luck, folks.....................fatburger
 
Sniff, sniff, sniff.... I smell pension decisions on the way. Even Mad Dog Dubinsky has successfully put together a group of retirees to oppose any abbrogation of their pension plans.
 
I love when people say that the house is not in order, they are rudderless, etc.

Absolutely not one single one of us knows what is occuring at WHQ. Do you all really think that Tilton and his team are taking 5 hour lunches and not doing any work?

Come on!

They may take the full 6 months or they may take 3. When you're in ch11, don't you think you should plan for the worst case and give yourself ample time?

Okay...done venting.
 
Before we get our collective underwear in a knot, this is neither negative or positive news. It is simply a fact of doing business while in CH11. It can be construed as negative because CEO Tilton would like to have emerged from BK protection before Q1 2004, and things have bogged down a little. It can be taken as a positive because UAL will have extra time to renegotiate items, and can stay under court protection during the lean winter months. The real deal here is that UAL is tied up renegotiating aircraft leases. With a company this size it's not a simple process. When renegotiating these leases UAL sometimes has to deal with several groups per aircraft, each with their own agenda. Wonder what's taking them so long to decide on what fleet to use for the LCC? This is the answer. The point to remember is that UAL is making steady progress, so I believe it is irrelevant to know a precise date when the company will emerge.
 
Novaqt and Fatburger have it right. This is not good news. You can't stay in BK for ever, time runs out. And IMHO, the pensions get a bigger bulls eye on them each day.
 
Actually, with the Federal judge's decision today allowing 9/11 lawsuits by people who were injured (or the estates of those killed) on the ground at the WTC and the Pentagon to proceed, bankruptcy may in fact be the best place for United to be until appeals of that ruling have occurred. Indeed, given the huge potential liabilities if this ruling stands after appeal, it might push American and Boeing into bankruptcy as well.
 
Somewhat off the subject, I have stated before....UAL pension plans will not stay intact prior to exiting BK. Sorry for all who will be affected including myself but that is just the way it is. You cannot carry such a cash requiring debt burden for basically a "new, emerging" business. :(
 
Cosmo said:
Bankruptcy may in fact be the best place for United to be until appeals of that ruling have occurred.
I don't think we have the staying power to be in BK for that long. These court case will be a looooong time in the works.
 
Cosmo said:
Actually, with the Federal judge's decision today allowing 9/11 lawsuits by people who were injured (or the estates of those killed) on the ground at the WTC and the Pentagon to proceed, bankruptcy may in fact be the best place for United to be until appeals of that ruling have occurred. Indeed, given the huge potential liabilities if this ruling stands after appeal, it might push American and Boeing into bankruptcy as well.
I'm not sure about this but if I remember part of the bail out had some stuff in it about no airline will be accounable or if I'm wrong it may be capped..I just don't recall ?


Any body know? oh thats right everybody will know or know somebody who does know that knows somebody that knows...well you get it. :huh:
 
Nothing to get excited about here, requesting an extension while in BK is a common procedure. I'll bet just about every company that filed Ch11 requested an extension. LTV hid under Ch11 for seven years while the lawyers duked it out.

Unfortunately though remaining in Ch11 does not inspire confidence in the market.

Tilton had an interesting interview in yesterday's WSJ. Apparently even he is not sure where the fresh money will originate and I was distressed to read he is still proposing the ATSB as an option. Moments like that cause me to wonder if the man really has a grip on reality.

If you read his interview you'll chuckle at his explanation for rich executive pay packages, words like 'our employees told us to pay the market rates to obtain good executives'.

I almost choked! The white collar guys should be on the incentive plan just like the rest of the folks. If these white collars had any kahunas they'd recognize that the upside potential is staggering!
 
If you read his interview you'll chuckle at his explanation for rich executive pay packages, words like 'our employees told us to pay the market rates to obtain good executives'.

He must have taken that answer from an employee questionaire given to VP's

Since they all have these lucrative contracts, what incentive do they have to work harder and think up new ways to make money. If Ual can weather the slow market, business will come back, and they will take the bows for doing nothing but filling a slot.

Still not impressed.
 
UnitedChicago said:
I'm glad that they are taking full advantage of ch11 and not rushing things. Sounds like October will be a big month for details to be released.

Keep up the great work! :up:

WASHINGTON -- UAL Corp. (UALAQ), the parent of United Airlines, is asking the bankruptcy court overseeing its case for six more months to file a Chapter 11 reorganization plan without the threat of other parties filing plans for the carrier.

According to a motion filed late Monday and obtained by Dow Jones Newswires, UAL is asking the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Chicago to extend the company's exclusive period to file a plan through April 6. If UAL files a plan by that date, other parties would be further prohibited from filing plans through June 7 while the carrier solicits votes for its plan.

In a prior extension, the airline's exclusive plan-filing period is set to expire Oct. 6.

The Chicago bankruptcy court is scheduled to consider the proposed extension at a hearing Sept. 19. Interested parties may file objections through Friday.

In its motion, UAL said it has accomplished "a great deal" since filing for bankruptcy protection at the end of 2002. Among its successes the carrier cited its debtor-in-possession financing agreement, the preservation of tax benefits known as operating loss carryforwards, the implementation of a key employee retention plan, and constant interaction with creditors.

Despite the size and complexity of the case, the filing said, the airline has already successfully stabilized its business and achieved "substantial" cost savings. Specifically, the motion said, United Airlines is on track to reduce its costs by $5 billion annually - almost one-third of its 2002 operating expenses.

UAL said, however, that several matters must become clear before the company will be in a position to file a reorganization plan. Some of those matters include UAL's efforts to adjust cost and capital structure, the evolution of the company's relationships with their business partners, pension and retiree liabilities, efforts to secure exit financing and the total amount of claims against the carrier's estate, the motion said.

The filing said that UAL is working with its committee of unsecured creditors and other parties - as well as potential capital market participants - to develop exit financing and to solicit views about an optimal business plan. UAL said it can hope to secure exit financing to fund a reorganization plan only after the company has "greater clarity" about its pension and retiree liabilities.

"Once these issues are more fully resolved and their impact is clear to (UAL) and potential exit lenders, (UAL) will have the information necessary to determine their path" to exit bankruptcy with greater certainty, the company said in the motion. The airline said that a premature end to the exclusive plan-filing period would compromise UAL's previous achievements during the Chapter 11 process.

In the motion, the carrier noted that its earnings from operations in July of $35 million marked "a significant turnaround from July 2002."

UAL said in the filing Monday that the "sheer size" of its business operations and finances "resulted in one of the largest and most administratively complex Chapter 11 cases ever filed." As a result, the airline said, it must devote "considerable resources simply to manage" the case appropriately.

The company also cited the war in Iraq, continuing unrest in the Middle East and the U.S. economy as factors contributing to uncertainty in its revenue environment. The motion said UAL believes that "more actual results over the coming months, as opposed to projections, will provide greater guidance" to the company and potential exit lenders about the durability of its business plan.

UAL listed assets of $84.3 million and debts of $126.6 million as of Sept. 30, 2002, when it filed for bankruptcy protection Dec. 9, 2002. United Airlines listed assets of $22.73 billion and debts of $21.48 billion as of the same date in another Chapter 11 filing Dec. 9.

-By Nicholas P. Braude; Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-1355; [email protected]
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