UAL could outsource a max of 2600 plus jobs

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I am surprised no thread has been started on this subject.  What are all the represented groups saying about this?  Are they just going to sit back and let it happen or what?  Not saying they can stop it, but at least make the company show the unions the actual numbers and show that all 2600 jobs are really needed.  And maybe nego a better severance packages.  Hate hearing this crap when they admit it is all about the dollar, and UAL don't give two bits about the employees, so sad...
 
United Airlines could outsource up to 2,000 airport jobs
 
Lots of talk of it in the Fleet Service thread (AA board)

Also, quite a lengthy thread here on the UA page from about a year ago when this T/A was first trotted out.
 
Ira and Sito must be happy now. I imagine some of the statioms go to ZW and the IAM still collects dues.

Josh
 
737823 said:
Ira and Sito must be happy now. I imagine some of the statioms go to ZW and the IAM still collects dues.

Josh
Ignorance is bliss.
 
ZW hasnt been getting ground handling contracts, learn to read and comprehend.
 
And -2 SP.
 
700UW said:
Ignorance is bliss.
 
ZW hasnt been getting ground handling contracts, learn to read and comprehend.
 
And -2 SP.
So who will? American Eagle/Envoy got the 6 or so stations in the last round. The TWU gained those dues payers.

Josh
 
and this is the perfect example of how union promises haven't been delivered... and they are defended in the name of "the people voted for it"
 
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Josh  there is never a guarantee whether or not ZW would get it or some other unionized outfit.   EN took a number of PMUS cities back in the mid 2000s  and in 1 city I know of  they lost the bid for about a yr and half and took it back    when they got it back they were already represented by the CWA
 
WorldTraveler said:
and this is the perfect example of how union promises haven't been delivered... and they are defended in the name of "the people voted for it"
want to talk about the scope over at US or nah? 
 
 
and the members did vote for it. 
 
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Thanks to the mods for getting this back on topic...

Just for fun, here are the counts of departures for all those stations mentioned in the USA Today article, using mid-July as the benchmark, and ranked by UA mainline departures descending...

Code:
		Total	UA	UAX
UA	SAT	26	11	15
UA	ATL	29	9	20
UA	SMF	20	8	12
UA	MIA	10	8	2
UA	RDU	23	6	17
UA	PBI	6	5	1
UA	ANC	5	5	0
UA	SJC	6	4	2
UA	RSW	5	4	1
UA	IND	29	3	26
UA	BDL	14	3	11
UA	RNO	9	3	6
UA	OMA	18	2	16
UA	BOI	15	2	13
UA	BIL	5	2	3
UA	GEG	2	2	0
UA	STL	35	1	34
UA	MCI	33	1	32
UA	JAX	15	1	14
UA	RIC	15	1	14
UA	PVD	8	1	7
UA	BNA	23	0	23
UA	OKC	23	0	23
UA	TUL	19	0	19
UA	ORF	14	1	13
UA	MAF	13	0	13
UA	GSO	11	0	11
UA	ONT	11	0	11
SAT, ATL, SMF, and MIA seem to be odd choices at first, but SAT and ATL easily have UAX outnumbering mainline departures.

All of the others are 6 or fewer departures a day.
 
Thanks for putting that together, E.

Some of those surprised me (only 2/day left at GEG?). Of those that have a lot of UAX traffic, we've disagreed on this before, but I still contend that the difference in manpower req'd between an RJ and an NB is a fine one at best.

A lot of these are/were also cross-utilized. IIRC, the company made people "pick" one side or the other not all that long ago. I'd like to know how (or if) that affected station costs, and whether or not it accelerated making the list for some of these places...
 
737823 said:
Ira and Sito must be happy now. I imagine some of the statioms go to ZW and the IAM still collects dues.

Josh
ZW lost the IAD express contract to Swissport. And I think that Air Wisconsin will be getting out of the handling business soon.
Bottom feeders will be getting these, like ATS; G4, and the likes. You know that UA seems to pick the worst of the lot. DEN was the example of that....
 
 
eolesen said:
Thanks to the mods for getting this back on topic...

Just for fun, here are the counts of departures for all those stations mentioned in the USA Today article, using mid-July as the benchmark, and ranked by UA mainline departures descending...
 

Total UA UAX
UA SAT 26 11 15
UA ATL 29 9 20
UA SMF 20 8 12
UA MIA 10 8 2
UA RDU 23 6 17
UA PBI 6 5 1
UA ANC 5 5 0
UA SJC 6 4 2
UA RSW 5 4 1
UA IND 29 3 26
UA BDL 14 3 11
UA RNO 9 3 6
UA OMA 18 2 16
UA BOI 15 2 13
UA BIL 5 2 3
UA GEG 2 2 0
UA STL 35 1 34
UA MCI 33 1 32
UA JAX 15 1 14
UA RIC 15 1 14
UA PVD 8 1 7
UA BNA 23 0 23
UA OKC 23 0 23
UA TUL 19 0 19
UA ORF 14 1 13
UA MAF 13 0 13
UA GSO 11 0 11
UA ONT 11 0 11

SAT, ATL, SMF, and MIA seem to be odd choices at first, but SAT and ATL easily have UAX outnumbering mainline departures.

All of the others are 6 or fewer departures a day.
 
I am a bit surprised by SAT. SAT is one of Continental's first cities, and had quite a few mainline. Just a few less than AUS. But AUS was on the Tier 2 protected list.
I also would have thought that they would be sending more mainline to ATL and IND, but if more 175's come on line, it will be all Express.
 
There about 2000 people affected by this (about 900 Ramp / 1100 Passenger Service). 
Some will chase their job and move; some will probably won't and take furlough; and some may want out, depending on the package. 
We've been through three rounds already: the loss of Cargo; the the first 6 stations; then the CLE dehubbing; and the 15 from last year. and now this. 
It will be just 23 stations and the 7 hubs left. We have to protect what's left. 
 
the chances are more than even that UA is feeling revenue pressure in Texas from the drop in oil prices and the cuts that are hitting oil producers.

and just as is happening in Latin America, competition to/from Texas is increasing just as macro-economic factors are squeezing those regions.

and there are cost and competitive pressures on UA at EWR as well.

UA might be doing what it needed to do a couple years ago but in an environment where acting now is all the more necessary.