United's New Ps Service.

[North by Northwest]

Bravo United on the most fantastic Transcon service in the country. I was very impressed. Hats off for the attention to detail. You get what you pay for and this new service should ring true for people willing to pay for a top notch product. Congrats, this one is a homerun!

 

[spacewaitress]

Bravo United on the most fantastic Transcon service in the country. I was very impressed. Hats off for the attention to detail. You get what you pay for and this new service should ring true for people willing to pay for a top notch product. Congrats, this one is a homerun!

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Wait to see how drastically it suffers when the company rams their #### proposal down our throats!

 

[JungleClone]

More likely, wait until United expands the PS product to other high yielding, premium markets. It's coming, folks!

 

[JFK777]

This concept should rolled out to every 777 & 744 flight internationaly for service to Asia, Europe( especially LHR) & Sao Paulo with Buenos Aires. If it can work from JFK to LAX & SFO why not LHR, HKG, SYD, NRT & FRA? It times UA forgot 9/11 and up the anty.

 

[kcabpilot]

You get what you pay for and this new service should ring true for people willing to pay for a top notch product.

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Glad you enjoyed it however, you're not 'paying' for it. United, you'll recall, hasn't made a profit in so many past quarters that frankly I've lost count. After the last round of employee concessions they spent money they didn't have, to create TED and to repaint and reconfigure a bunch of A320's and 757's.

Upon the unveiling of this latest Ps brainchild one of our illustrious spokespersons stated that we aren't interested in following the trends that all the other airlines are following and that we are not interested in the 'road warrior' type of traveller. This statement was made public despite the fact that we had just created TED and the news clips were packed with back to back stories of airlines reconfiguring with expensive bed seats and other premier flyer upgrades just like our 'trendy' UAL.

So now they return to the employees, take their pension and stick them up for another 'cash withdrawl' and you think they've hit a 'home run'?

I think this party is just about over. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[JFK777]

It's not my fault the Arabs have the world by the huevos and are getting fat while UA and every airlie is going broke. UA can't control the "Arab" factore of their operation. This is a geopolitical statement.

 

[JungleClone]

As much as it may be fashionable to do so these days, you can't really blame the Arabs for the oil problem. They're not at fault for the world reaching the peak of oil production. That's right. Oil is peaking. And the repurcussions on the global economy are going to be devastating when it's finally out in the open. Like nothing any of us have ever seen, that's for sure. You think this industry is in trouble now? Wait until our government can no longer hide the fact that we're running out of oil. Then the wheels will completely come off the bus. Why do you think none of the major oil companies are investing in additional refining capacity? Because they know that the world is running out of oil and they won't be able to recoup their investment because of the production shortfalls that are fast approaching.

 

[kcabpilot]

Jungle

Why wouldn't people know that the world is running out of oil? Nobody 'makes' oil, we just consume it. Why wouldn't we run out? My only beef is that if the price of a quart of oil goes up then the guy in seat 4B on his way to Miami is gonna have to pay for it. I'm not gonna take anymore paycuts to cover for him.

 

[gatemech]

Jungle

Why wouldn't people know that the world is running out of oil? Nobody 'makes' oil, we just consume it. Why wouldn't we run out? My only beef is that if the price of a quart of oil goes up then the guy in seat 4B on his way to Miami is gonna have to pay for it. I'm not gonna take anymore paycuts to cover for him.

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The problem is that UA does want the employees to pay for the fuel cost. There are no snap backs in the term sheets for the price of oil dropping. Bend over here it comes. Maybe this time the membership will realize enough is enough and vote down anything related to that term sheet.

 

[JFK777]

Employees at airlines certainly have been getting the shaft, but Washington is more the problem then managements, that pesky ticket tax. UA's PS service is keeping up with the Cathay's & Virgins of the world. 12 757 earning high yields is 12 less getting low ones. The less part of the fleet exposed to the low fare children the better UA is. If it was up to me UA would only fly from the big cities on each coast, Chicago and international destinations.

 

[Dizel8]

While we will eventually run out of oil, that day is far off into the future. There are pelnty of proven reserves around the world, the African continent being one which shows great promise. Further, there are deposit, that due to production cost, were unprofitable at $25, but will be profitable if prices this high.

Due to very strong, perhaps excruciatingly so, enviromental laws, no new refineries have been built in the US for quite a while. This is part of the increase at the point.

There is a problem of capacity at the moment, since current production capabilities are just about running at max. The loss from Gulf of Mexico has certainly not helped, however, eventually we may see increase from Libya, Iraq, subsahara and west african region.

Of course, one could argue, that a large increase in comsumption is mainly due to China, who counts the US as one of the biggest trading partners. If we were less "dependent" on China and imported less goods, then not only could we potentially see a better US economy with less job loss, it may even have kept the US oil prices lower, due to less demand from China.

Yes, we will eventually run out of oil, but that is not the problem currently causing high oil prices, demand equal to or exceeding output is.

 

[AA191]

For those of you waiting, this service will be coming to the "right" markets. Many markets command this type of product and as much as we might think it, there are customers more than willing to pay the full F fare.

In my business, it is not uncommon for one of our clients to sepnd $20,000 one-way on a Gulfstream or Challenger to go from Los Angeles to New York.

The consumer will spend the dollars if they understand the value. However, this will not work in all markets as many markets will not be able to sustain this service.

Can't wait to see it on more UA flights. Off to Tokyo now from SFO in a First Suite this afternoon.

 

[JS]

As long as oil is traded on the free market, we will never run out of oil.

However, we will soon (if not already) run out of CHEAP OIL. Cheap oil, not just plain oil, is what drives our economy and transportation today.

We can choose to do something about it and use less energy, or we can continue to keep our heads in the sand and ignore reality. Well, for the next four years, it's head in the sand. :down:

 

[WorldTraveler]

The best thing UA could do to make this service really sought after is being able to have truly separate security and facilities. Maybe by building a completely separate terminal facility like LH has done, there is justification for a separate security checkpoint from the rest of the customers. Dedicated, separate check-in (not just another end of the same termina) combined with fast security and a chauffered escort to the gate, people would see a product like this as just as valuable as a private jet.

 

[Busdrvr]

As long as oil is traded on the free market, we will never run out of oil.

However, we will soon (if not already) run out of CHEAP OIL. Cheap oil, not just plain oil, is what drives our economy and transportation today.

We can choose to do something about it and use less energy, or we can continue to keep our heads in the sand and ignore reality. Well, for the next four years, it's head in the sand. :down:

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Oil will once again be "cheap" when other sources are tapped. Estimated US reserves top 120 billion barrels. Canada has over 300 billion barrels if you count the oil sands.

As for which party is led by energy morons, hmmm, lets consider a few things. Clinton and Carter stopped just about every attempt to bring more nuke power to the market (the CLEANEST AND CHEAPEST energy souce). The Kerry Energy plan would have INCREASED U.S. energy dependance. the Bush plan, held up by the "live in caves" crowd balanced efficiency with increased production of multiple energy sources.
The coup de gras is NY. they (Cuomo) destroyed the newest and safest Nuke plan in the U.S., in the process writting off over $5 BILLION in cost (taxpayer money), and replaced it with oil fired generators, increasing our dependance on OPEC. Real smart.... And we wonder why we have blackouts.