US offer to AA employees

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My. My. Aren't you clever? Well, since that is exactly what we have been getting from AA management for the past 9 years, why should D. Parker be any different? Remember "Pull Together! Win Together!" It meant, "We will pull the money out of your pocket and put it in ours. You win lower taxes. We win higher undeserved bonusses."
 
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product.

Non-retail use

(FUNNY ENOUGH, THE FIRST TWO EXAMPLES OF NON-RETAIL USE ARE AIRLINE EXAMPLES.)
  • Employers are known to use bait-and-switch tactics by advertising a job opening in a way that gives a misleading impression of likely working conditions or compensation packages.
  • Bait-and-switch tactics are frequently used in airline and air travel advertising.[sup][1][/sup]


AMERICA WEST (AKA US AIRWAYS ALSO HAS A HISTORY OF BLATANTLY VIOLATING NEGOTIATED ITEMS - PERFECT EXAMPLE: THE CURRENT TRANSITION AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AIRWAYS UNIONS, AWA UNIONS AND THE COMPANY. AFTER EACH VIOLATION, THE COMPANY SETTLES THE GRIEVANCES WITHOUT ANY MONETARY FINES, AND WITH A PROMISE OF "WE WONT DO IT AGAIN," UNTIL LESS THAN A YEAR THEY ACTUALLY DO IT AGAIN. THEN THE BS STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN.
 
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product.

Non-retail use

(FUNNY ENOUGH, THE FIRST TWO EXAMPLES OF NON-RETAIL USE ARE AIRLINE EXAMPLES.)
  • Employers are known to use bait-and-switch tactics by advertising a job opening in a way that gives a misleading impression of likely working conditions or compensation packages.
  • Bait-and-switch tactics are frequently used in airline and air travel advertising.[sup][1][/sup]


AMERICA WEST (AKA US AIRWAYS ALSO HAS A HISTORY OF BLATANTLY VIOLATING NEGOTIATED ITEMS - PERFECT EXAMPLE: THE CURRENT TRANSITION AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AIRWAYS UNIONS, AWA UNIONS AND THE COMPANY. AFTER EACH VIOLATION, THE COMPANY SETTLES THE GRIEVANCES WITHOUT ANY MONETARY FINES, AND WITH A PROMISE OF "WE WONT DO IT AGAIN," UNTIL LESS THAN A YEAR THEY ACTUALLY DO IT AGAIN. THEN, THE BS STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN WITH THE SAME RESULT AND WASTED TIME.

Please remember, America West of handling employees with contracts in place is not "fly it, and grieve it later," it is "fxxk you, and grieve it later; oh yeah, and fxxk you again, as you are just wasting your time."
 
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...sorry for the duplicates.... This new java/flash based website is full of bugs...
 

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Get your facts together Mikey, less than 7 years, and not all employees. I'm lookin forward to working with you real soon.........
 

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Get your facts together Mikey, less than 7 years, and not all employees. I'm lookin forward to working with you real soon.........
After what about 10 years they have yet to complete the last merger. There employees still under there old separate contracts. Who in there right mind believes this is even remotely possible?
The merger has been complete for 5years now...The Pilots have issues with each other and Usapa and Apa are having court battles. Has nothing to do with The Company..The Flight Attendants just recently had a TA agreement that got voted down..You can't blame the company or Doug Parker...Mikey I've missed you. How much butthurt has AA put on you lately?
 
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USAPA and APA are not having court battles.

You really dont know what you are talking about.

The west pilots sued for a DFR and won, overturned on appeal.

USAPA was formed to get out of the arbitration which wont happen.

And the company is asking the courts for a declaratory judgement so they dont get sued over the Nicalou award.
 
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All this back and forth about how long it's exactly been is pointless, it's just been too long with America West managers treating AWA employees like shXt.

It is my opinion that overall the responsibility for failure of the pilots coming to an agreement lies within management. And this has not been done by management without a purpose.

As for the flight attendants, the poor F/As have been without a contract now for approximately 10 years. Only recently (and most likely due to ulterior reasons related to AA) did the company managers push forward with finalizing negotiations of a contract. They figured that the west F/As were so desperate that they'll just take anything. While more west F/As did vote yes for the contract, the majority of them have been with that abusive west contract for so long that it just wasn't worth cutting away with the few good things that they did have in the contract for what little pay increase was being offered in the new one.

I am glad the majority of the west F/As voted down this insult of a contract proposal, which was only a way to once again undermine the F/A group, while AWA execs were planning to settle for much more expensive agreements with the work groups of AA. It's just shameless. They offer better to AA employees to bait them into an agreement, than they would ever offer to the current US/HP workforce. This whole "with AA we'll be able to afford it better" is just a lie, just like when they lied about having to lay off people from the west in 2007 and not the east, because supposedly they were having larger than expected attrition from the east. That lie I exposed myself in a subsequent townhall meeting.


And as for AA; say that something were to go through and US were to put through agreements with you. It would only be a matter of months before AWA managers and executives started to violate that agreement. I'll tell you that this is the case because that is what they did with the 2005 Transition Agreement currently in place which clearly states that they can not replace a west flight with (east equipment and crew) and vice-versa. Just in 2005 and 2006, AWA management several times violated this clause resulting in grievances being placed by the unions. In the end, the company somehow settled the matter without incurring any damages (financial or otherwise) and with a mere promise of "we wont do it again."

Yes, that's what the company got away with and that's what the unions were able to get out of all the hassle. Then in 2008, they did it again. This time they found out some smart manipulative way of maneuvering themselves around the rules. An east flight that was cancelled here; a west flight was then cancelled as well; that flight was then rerouted as a ferry and then they just slowly trickled down the passengers of that originally east flight to that ferry flight. Indeed astute.

From talking to the AA work groups, what I have been hearing is that "well. we'll be so big and so strong that they wont get away with this & that anymore" or "we have better unions than them." Ohhh yeah? The east unions currently at US Airways are just as strong as AA's unions. But at the most, as in the case of what's currently been happening for so long at AA, they only get to bring stuff to a stalemate, which is completely OK with AWA's executives.

You'll one day realize that you've landed yourself in total stagnation and with US (AWA) management just reaping the benefits of it.

On top of that, think of all the things that they'll do away with - product wise. Just like AWA gutted all the good things away from itself and US Airways as part of its goal to transform to a ghetto like airline, they'll do it over at AA. Granted that AA is also known for having initiated some of the more insulting product cuts in the industry, just know that the AWA group has a tendency to duplicate that same idea - just exponentially. As I've said before, if any carrier dared to lead the way in something that is bad for customer and employees, AWA management with top that with their own tweaked version of it. While they'll never be a leader in anything good, they'll certainly copy anyone's bad idea and make it even worse. (See entertainment, powerports, and ovens on aircraft.)

That's what I think of US' offer to AA.
 
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After what about 10 years they have yet to complete the last merger. There employees still under there old separate contracts. Who in there right mind believes this is even remotely possible?

Exactly right. And despite what our union leadership may be saying, we are not universally in favor of this merger.

http://youraparights.blogspot.com/
 
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