US Pilot Labor Thread--11/16-23

[Richard]

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[nostradamus]

alpa information

 

[Bus Driver]

Who is ALPA?

 

[nostradamus]

Interesting read. Per alpa merger policy there are two pilot neutrals assigned to the three member board. In the delta-Northwest pilot seniority integration, does anyone know who the two pilot neutrals are?

 

[nostradamus]

b. The Arbitration Board shall be composed of three persons, two of whom shall be nonvoting
ALPA members chosen from the Master List of Pilot Neutrals. The third
member and Chairman of the Board shall be chosen from a list of Arbitrators approved
by ALPA.


" "The members of the panel (for Northwest Airlines and delta airlines pilot merger) are Fredric Horowitz, a California labor attorney; Dana Eischen, an attorney who worked as an independent arbitrator for Major League Baseball in the late 1990s and was a member of a Presidential Emergency Board appointed to head off a railroad strike in 1975; and Richard Bloch, who sided in 2005 with the Philadelphia Eagles as arbitrator of their decision to bench star receiver Terrell Owens, who now plays with the Dallas Cowboys." "


1. The merged seniority list will be presented to management and ALPA will use all
reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the
merged seniority list. (AMENDED - Executive Board May 1998)

 

[Tiger 1050]

Nos,
Are you serious?!? You are just now learning that there were 2 pilot neutrals in addition to the arbiter?!?!?

 

[nostradamus]

The alpa arbitration board for the Us Airways america west merger

George Nicolau Chairman

Captain James P Brucia, Pilot Neutral Continental Airlines pilot, John Prater President of alpa is a continental pilot.

Captain Stephen Gillen Pilot Neutral United Airlines pilot, who knew that a merger with Us Airways was being discussed.

 

[Tiger 1050]

The alpa arbitration board for the Us Airways america west merger

George Nicolau Chairman

Captain James P Brucia, Pilot Neutral Continental Airlines pilot, John Prater President of alpa is a continental pilot.

Captain Stephen Gillen Pilot Neutral United Airlines pilot, who knew that a merger with Us Airways was being discussed.

Dang! You figured it out! That's right, you guessed it. Everyone involved, with the exception of the East pilots, were colluding to bring about your demise...

Good catch!

 

[Phoenix]

Dang! You figured it out! That's right, you guessed it. Everyone involved, with the exception of the East pilots, were colluding to bring about your demise...

Good catch!

Perhaps he is referring to the absence of two pilot neutrals in the Delta Northwest SLI arbitration?

 

[Megasnoop]

Dang! You figured it out! That's right, you guessed it. Everyone involved, with the exception of the East pilots, were colluding to bring about your demise...

Good catch!

Tiger, Im not sure why the need to use contempt and attempted ridicule in this debate. Point is, there were no "pilot neutrals" in the NWA/DAL arbitration. And which two of the Horowitz, Eischen, Bloch trio are going to relegate themselves to the role of "non-voting." ALPO doesnt follow its own merger policy. Your continue barrage of contempt and ridicule is noted. snooper, aka Fred the first officer

 

[BoeingBoy]

If that were the case, Nos had no need of including who else worked for CO or what the UA neutral may have known about a possible UA/US merger. Just giving the 2 pilot neutrals would have gotten that message across if that's what was intended.

Including that info is pretty definitive of Nos' intentions.

Jim

 

[Tiger 1050]

Thank you Jim. That was the point I was trying to make...

 

[Tiger 1050]

Tiger, Im not sure why the need to use contempt and attempted ridicule in this debate. Point is, there were no "pilot neutrals" in the NWA/DAL arbitration. And which two of the Horowitz, Eischen, Bloch trio are going to relegate themselves to the role of "non-voting." ALPO doesnt follow its own merger policy. Your continue barrage of contempt and ridicule is noted. snooper, aka Fred the first officer

Oh c'mon mega... You are just as guilty as the next guy regarding contempt and ridicule.

Why does it matter what DAL/NWA are doing? US and AWA agreed ahead of time how they would handle the situation. And might I remind you neither side had any problem until the results came out...

 

[N924PS]

The alpa arbitration board for the Us Airways america west merger

George Nicolau Chairman

Captain James P Brucia, Pilot Neutral Continental Airlines pilot, John Prater President of alpa is a continental pilot.

Captain Stephen Gillen Pilot Neutral United Airlines pilot, who knew that a merger with Us Airways was being discussed.

I knew it was an ALPA conspiracy to screw the USAirways East pilots!

Thanks for being the watchdog you are. If only you had brought this up sooner, perhaps the Nicolau Award would have never come to fruition.

Keep up the good work.

 

[Megasnoop]

How stupid are Federal Judges in your fantasy world? I'm more than confident that he's smarter than your collective brain trust and the weasel seham. If the Nic. is upheld, it's over. The intent was ruled on. That's the list. His ruling will most certainly contain restrictions barring your band of flaccid wanna be thugs from abusing the system and twisting it to their benefit (AGAIN). At the end of the Trial, (which will begin in January if jurisdiction remains in Fed. Court) the ruling is that "binding is in fact binding" your side is done. You have your list, you will have no where else to run and no other entity to cry to or threaten if your demands aren't met. DP will wash his hands of the whole thing claiming it was a ruling by the court. "sorry guys, nothing we can do"

So your fantasy of a third "do over" (if you don't like what you're told AGAIN) by manipulating the system and abandoning your sides DFR to the west, isn't going to work again. The Judge is way smarter than that.

Metroyet, I couldnt let your comments from last week go unanswered. Federal Judges are indeed smart. Smart enough (or egotistic enough) not to let themselves to be overruled on appeal with overreaching decisions. I think you misunderstand the concept of jurisdiction.

Our "side is done?" Lot of "ifs" before we ever get there, Metroyet. Thats assuming there really is jursdiction. And its never "over" until its "over." Either side can run appeals well into the next decade. For us, its using dues money (including YOUR money) to defend ourselves. For you, its out of pocket.

While attorneys may not be in your top ten of people to admire, name calling ("Weasel") on our attorney Seham? Why? I dont remember any East pilot using similar language to describe your attorney. Snoopie, east groopie