US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/2- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[ROACLT]

I agree. Since USAPA was not a party to the Transition Agreement, I see no reason for the company to be held to it. So open a west pilot base in PHL for A330 and 767, and eliminate the restriction on cross-metal flying and I'll bet USAPA will start that train a movin'.

ALL ABOARD!!!

Wow, since Min Fleet and block hour protections exist in the East contract and only exist for the West as part of the Transition Agreement, be careful what you wish for.

More like TIME TO EXIT THE TRAIN!!!!!! For the West anyway. :blink:

 

[Barrister]

I agree. Since USAPA was not a party to the Transition Agreement, I see no reason for the company to be held to it. So open a west pilot base in PHL for A330 and 767, and eliminate the restriction on cross-metal flying and I'll bet USAPA will start that train a movin'.

ALL ABOARD!!!

WOW .....DUDE......you post enough and your true intentions eventually surface!!!!!!
Want to fly all night....it's all yours......just not ahead of someone who has been here longer!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB

 

[Crzipilot]

Time to get real?

It's unfortunate that your group lacks integrity to stand by your decision to enter Binding Arbitration. Your thuggery of the system, using dishorable and dishonest practices to make yourselves whole at the expense of others, is disappointing to say the least.

Your East pilot group is not looked upon favorably by other airline pilot groups. They see you for who you are. Greedy, dishonest, integrity lacking, "bullies" (for lack of a better word) who take pride in dishonor. You have to live with yourselves. It's not over.

As your local 'scholars' would say "Dont cash your lottery ticket" Ball is in USAPAs court to get a contract. Good Luck.

Speaking of "Balls" every other airline crew I've come in contact with have actually used those same words. Except it's been in the context. You guys got screwed, I wish we had the balls to oust ALPA. Have not heard one word towards, You guys are dishonest. You have no integrity. It's all been quite the opposite. Now of course if you live on the web boards and live your life through them, you see many ALPA shrills attempting to keep the sheep in line, as they have to protect their revenue somehow.

None of us have claimed to have a lottery ticket, we have simply desired to have an even keeled outcome to integrating the seniority here. The west sides fervent clamor to get a joint CBA in order to take their respective and rightful positions on a absolutely flawed seniority list is indicative of something that has run amuck.

The sooner you come to terms with what has transpired in the last few hours, the sooner you will be at peace....

 

[Freighterguynow]

So open a west pilot base in PHL for A330 and 767, and eliminate the restriction on cross-metal flying and I'll bet USAPA will start that train a movin'.

ALL ABOARD!!!

You might want to read the Flight Attendant TA

 

[CallawayGolf]

Congratulations to USAPA and to Seham. You’ve “won” another long-term delay in the implementation of the NIC. Of course you could have saved both sides a lot of money by simply putting out TA after TA that the east would vote down. No DFR, no district court, no circuit court, no making Seham rich. You sure have paid a lot to get what you could have achieved for virtually no expense at all (outward support of the NIC with a veiled agenda to delay its implementation until most of the east retires).

I’ve said all along that the 9th could rule either way on this, especially since it is filled with wacked out judges who hold the record for being the most overturned court in the land. So two federal judges believe this case is ripe (Wake and Bybee) and two believe it isn’t ripe (Tashima & Graber). Hardly a overwhelming victory, and it certainly doesn’t give you the freedom to implement DOH. That course of action will absolutely put you back in court where you will have a far less likelihood of a “victory” than today’s ruling.

Finally, the company will never negotiate for DOH so the stalemate will continue indefinitely. Until USAPA steps on their own arrogant and narcissistic foot, this issue is in for a very protracted battle. The next best chance for resolution is the NMB which will likely give the company the go ahead for a cram-down contract that includes the NIC. That is still years away but it is probably the next great milestone along this fruitless and expensive journey.

 

[skyflyr69]

Why wouldn't he????

How much do you owe your lawyers???

How many Law firms will want to take this case a few years from now, if you don't pay your current bill????

How many millions can AWAPPA or whomever it is, raise for a new trial???

What % of your pay check do you pay usapa + legal fund = pay rate lower than current LOA 93 wages?

Time to get real...

TRUTH JUSTICE and the USAPA WAY !!! Time to celebrate boys. And to think C.M. and his ilk at pilot action tries to undermine everything that is right and just. To bad C.M. I bet the shrinks in Pit and Phx will be busy.

 

[Crzipilot]

At the same time, which side was it more expensive for per pilot???? The west side could have just as easily been reasonable and looked at the NIC for what it is. A gregarious abortion of a seniority integration. If it wasn't so lopsided the west wouldn't be clamoring so hard for it to be implemented. The west knows what gains they will receive with the implementation of the NIC. They would have been able to go from Mesa Grande to a small Major Airline and fly planes and destinations and PAY RATES they never had the expectation to fly.

Albeit even with DOH they would still have that chance, but with the NIC implemented, in just a few years they would have the higher paying better schedule positions almost exclusive.

Of course all of that is fair........in the eyes of the west.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Congratulations to USAPA and to Seham. You’ve “won” another long-term delay in the implementation of the NIC. Of course you could have saved both sides a lot of money by simply putting out TA after TA that the east would vote down. No DFR, no district court, no circuit court, no making Seham rich. You sure have paid a lot to get what you could have achieved for virtually no expense at all (outward support of the NIC with a veiled agenda to delay its implementation until most of the east retires).

I’ve said all along that the 9th could rule either way on this, especially since it is filled with wacked out judges who hold the record for being the most overturned court in the land. So two federal judges believe this case is ripe (Wake and Bybee) and two believe it isn’t ripe (Tashima & Graber). Hardly a overwhelming victory, and it certainly doesn’t give you the freedom to implement DOH. That course of action will absolutely put you back in court where you will have a far less likelihood of a “victory” than today’s ruling.

Finally, the company will never negotiate for DOH so the stalemate will continue indefinitely. Until USAPA steps on their own arrogant and narcissistic foot, this issue is in for a very protracted battle. The next best chance for resolution is the NMB which will likely give the company the go ahead for a cram-down contract that includes the NIC. That is still years away but it is probably the next great milestone along this fruitless and expensive journey.

My man CAL, I believe USAPA was the party that was sued and defended itself , if loa93 payrates are tossed you will see DP at the table so fast with whatever list is in his hands at the time. So now your a company negotiator , good for you! MM!

 

[Crzipilot]

TRUTH JUSTICE and the USAPA WAY !!! Time to celebrate boys. And to think C.M. and his ilk at pilot action tries to undermine everything that is right and just. To bad C.M. I bet the shrinks in Pit and Phx will be busy.

Either case, I hope this decision doesn't cause any particular persons BP to raise to the point of having to medical out......

If anything I think, for the most part the BP on the east side may have just lowered a few inches, and are anxiously awaiting the results of the LOA 93 grievance. If that one is brought home, I think you'll see a little swagger come back to a few steps down the concourses.........

 

[compute]

I find this post to be comical and so typical of the misinformed.
The MDA suit is far from dead and the deadline for filing is not June
2nd. If the author was half as smart as he pretends to be he would
have known the deadline was modified by mutual written agreement between
ALPA council and Mike Haber. The MDA pilots are receiving their 88
page memorandum of law today, June 4th. This is what was filed in
contrast to this author's post. I do not usually respond to such nonsense
but in this case I just could help myself

 

[flyinawa]

(Shrug) I have to admit, I am surprised at the outcome by the 9th. But, as you East guys are so fond of saying, "good luck trying to cash your lottery ticket".

 

[Barrister]

Congratulations to USAPA and to Seham. You’ve “won” another long-term delay in the implementation of the NIC. Of course you could have saved both sides a lot of money by simply putting out TA after TA that the east would vote down. No DFR, no district court, no circuit court, no making Seham rich. You sure have paid a lot to get what you could have achieved for virtually no expense at all (outward support of the NIC with a veiled agenda to delay its implementation until most of the east retires).

I’ve said all along that the 9th could rule either way on this, especially since it is filled with wacked out judges who hold the record for being the most overturned court in the land. So two federal judges believe this case is ripe (Wake and Bybee) and two believe it isn’t ripe (Tashima & Graber). Hardly a overwhelming victory, and it certainly doesn’t give you the freedom to implement DOH. That course of action will absolutely put you back in court where you will have a far less likelihood of a “victory” than today’s ruling.

Finally, the company will never negotiate for DOH so the stalemate will continue indefinitely. Until USAPA steps on their own arrogant and narcissistic foot, this issue is in for a very protracted battle. The next best chance for resolution is the NMB which will likely give the company the go ahead for a cram-down contract that includes the NIC. That is still years away but it is probably the next great milestone along this fruitless and expensive journey.

OMG....YGTBSM....Whacked out Judges....kinda like "whacked out arbitrators"....where oh where have we heard that one before.....
ya just don't get it and never will!!!!!!!!!

VNIIMN
NPJB

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I find this post to be comical and so typical of the misinformed.
The MDA suit is far from dead and the deadline for filing is not June
2nd. If the author was half as smart as he pretends to be he would
have known the deadline was modified by mutual written agreement between
ALPA council and Mike Haber. The MDA pilots are receiving their 88
page memorandum of law today, June 4th. This is what was filed in
contrast to this author's post. I do not usually respond to such nonsense
but in this case I just could help myself

THANKS, for the update ! Wear your gold badgebacker proudly especially thru all the EAST hubs! MM!

 

[compute]

CD,

I'm gonna think positive about this and believe that the exMDA guys in this case have found a modicum of common sense and realized that this was a waste of money and time. The Arbitrator already heard all the MDA arguments and made his decision with all this "new" information that they think the Arbitrator didn't have. Ask Portale he was there (AAA merger com) and can tell you. The Arbitrator heard it all and still placed the MDA guys where he did. They were FURLOUGHED from the Mainline and no one has ever proved otherwise. Their placement on the Nic list was the same as it was on their own AAA list..............below all active pilots.


Glad to see they came to their senses


Flip

Guess you too didn't hear the news. This nonscense concerning the dropping of the MDA lawsuit is comical at best and shows a complete ignorance by the author. ALPA council and Mike Haber entered into a written agreement to extend the deadline until Jun 4th. The author should have known this before he shot off his big mouth. I have seen the memorandum of Law and it is awesome. ALPA does not stand a chance. The MDA guys will prevail in a major way. They are learning of this in real time today. In fact, it is so awesome that I am going to post it so that ALL the readers can see for themselves what this lawsuit is all about rather than reading these rediculous posts from the misinformed.

Congratulations USAPA for your win in the Addington case! Now we will finish this with a huge win for the MDA pilots. I intend to post the entire document (88 pages) on the pilotsforchange yahoo group. The MDA plaintiffs will receive it from icontacts as usual. If you are a member of the yahoo group you will be able to read it by this evening. If not, maybe a friend can forward it to you or....

As a last resort, send me an email at MDAclients@comcast.net and identify yourself by airline, name, base and airplane. I will gladly send you the PDF file so that you can read the truth and put an end to these foolish posts that do nothing but lie and confuse the reader. ALPA is going to lose this lawsuit in a major way. Don't take my word for it - just read the document that was filed in federal court yesterday. Know the FACTS so you can avoid being conned by these uninformed posters.
Jim Portale

 

[compute]

That's getting old too. God knows what it'll be, but rest assured, another straw grabber is teed up and ready for the next humiliation.

The NIC is dead. Read the News.....