US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/2- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[nic4us]

Correction there oldy. It was the east that started the jump seat issue. It started when the Nicolau was released. Before that we were pretty much together.

Learn the facts.

"Learn the facts", that is a laugh.

These people have no regard for facts. To them facts are inconvient truths that spoil their rationalization of why they deserve to harm others. Facts have no place in their entitlement attitude. It is quite simple Clear, these folks are over the edge and they are not coming back. Time to let them self destruct. But, a little push when they are standing on the edge is probably warranted in this case.

They are absolutely going to soil themselves when they learn the "facts".

 

[233KILLS]

Anybody have the deadline date for the Loa93 pay snap back arbitration award?

 

[oscarjazz]

Ah...our old friend OJ...the guy who I believe told us that the NW guy just Junior to him had about 3-4 years longer at NW than he did at DAL....and that he "just didn't pay that much attention to it......HA!!..I GUESS NOT. So, you read the opinion and came up with the NIC as the reference point. You sir, are a joke. When you consider that 60% of this airline is DOH, what makes you so sure DOH won'y fly. Remember dude the disparity at your great airline is at most 4-5 years. Here....15-20. The company no longer has to recognize NIC. Have you even read the opinion...doesn't sound like it. Every court has dismisses the Corporation from all litigation....they are on the hook for NOTHING. Can't wait for trial day when we explain that a 17 year guy was placed junior to a probationary 2 month newbie....THAT MY FRIEND IS THE STARTING POINT....NOT NIC. Go back to lurking. You have no dog in this fight...that is unless we buy you next!!

NPJB

I guess I hit a sore spot here, I thought you guys were all happy about your victory. Seems you still have some issues to work out.

I have read the opinion and I read it again with the same opinion. There is a big warning in there that if you don't represent the West interests, you will face a ripe DFR suit. The Addington case already has shown that if you deviate far from the Nicolau it will be easy to prove DFR, it wasn't really close. You can blame Judge Wake, but the jury was not impressed by your arguments the first time, maybe the second time is the charm.

You might get away with some type of fences, but the Fortune 500 at the top of the list will probably have to be sucked down into the ratios in order to provide some balance. If you staple the West to the bottom with a DOH list, there is no way to provide any balance to your proposal, even with conditions and restrictions that are novel length.

The company has not been a party to a suit, because they have rightly been steadfast in upholding the Nicolau award. When they deviate from their contractual obligations, they will then get dragged into court too.

You guys do whatever you want, I think you will have to go to court again. The Ninth didn't say you were off the hook for a DFR violation, they just said "not yet."

 

[oldiebutgoody]

"Learn the facts", that is a laugh.

These people have no regard for facts. To them facts are inconvient truths that spoil their rationalization of why they deserve to harm others. Facts have no place in their entitlement attitude. It is quite simple Clear, these folks are over the edge and they are not coming back. Time to let them self destruct. But, a little push when they are standing on the edge is probably warranted in this case.

They are absolutely going to soil themselves when they learn the "facts".

Here's the only fact you need: YOU LOST! The NIC is dead! Get over it!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Anybody have the deadline date for the Loa93 pay snap back arbitration award?

When dealing with arbitration there is no real deadline but there's been one or two estimates here that it'll be about September or so.

Jim

 

[nic4us]

Oh, OK. I see. It was just a bad call.

But for a bad call Armando Galarraga had a perfect game. And he has a video to prove it. Where's the West's video? I've seen one with a goat in it. Anything else?

all kinds of video of usapa campaigning to the east that they will get rid of the Nic. Also a couple e-mails from lawyers telling them what they are doing was illegal. Also hundreds of pages of transcipts and depositions from arbitrations, and trials, witness at wye river, and on and on and on.

Your "perfect game" don't count when you been caught cheating, and no one cares if you hold the home run record, once you been caught with the corked bat.

 

[cleardirect]

Here's the only fact you need: YOU LOST! The NIC is dead! Get over it!

How long before that DOH list passed. This month, this year?

If it's dead usapa should pass it soon right?

 

[Phoenix]

all kinds of video of usapa campaigning to the east that they will get rid of the Nic. ....

The 9th made it clear that if ALPA stayed they would have to get rid of the Nic to get a contract and that USAPA will have to also in order to get a contract. Otherwise West interest will be harmed as the impasse is unresolved. And they don't have a problem with that.

USAPA will represent all pilots. Relax. You don't need to sleep with your bedroom light on.

 

[nic4us]

Here's the only fact you need: YOU LOST! The NIC is dead! Get over it!

Lost? Lost what? Lost the fact that we will never have to worry about missing the statute of limitations when we sue the fake union for DFR if they pass anything other than the Nic. Go read that story of Leonidas again, oh keeper of the "facts".

I hear that loa93 thing really sucks, what say you? You're going to be on it for quite a while. You do know that don't you?

Oh, here is another fact, you will never get DOH at LCC, unless you are willing to take your 2005 hire date.

 

[nic4us]

The 9th made it clear that if ALPA stayed they would have to get rid of the Nic to get a contract and that USAPA will have to also in order to get a contract. Otherwise West interest will be harmed as the impasse is unresolved. And they don't have a problem with that.

USAPA will represent all pilots. Relax. You don't need to sleep with your bedroom light on.

So, you are saying that in one place the 9th says they can predict a hypothetical future,(ALPA would have had to get rid of the Nic to get a contract to pass in the future) but, also concede that thay cannot predict the future, ( we cannot say with certainty usapa would deliver a DOH contract until they do).

You are lying to yourself again.

Lights out

Good night

 

[Beancounter]

Wow, our bad. There must be some deep pockets there man. What are they gonna do foot the bill and assess ya later.

NPJB

Dude relax. I'm no longer an AWA/US pilot. Just advising you not to piss into the wind. Assess? Isn't that what you guys do? What's your lawyer bill at now? Getting mad and making poor decisions is what got you where you are.

 

[luvthe9]

"Learn the facts", that is a laugh.

These people have no regard for facts. To them facts are inconvient truths that spoil their rationalization of why they deserve to harm others. Facts have no place in their entitlement attitude. It is quite simple Clear, these folks are over the edge and they are not coming back. Time to let them self destruct. But, a little push when they are standing on the edge is probably warranted in this case.

They are absolutely going to soil themselves when they learn the "facts".

Quick, take off that Uranium level badge backer! Meltdown has started!

 

[luvthe9]

I guess I hit a sore spot here, I thought you guys were all happy about your victory. Seems you still have some issues to work out.

I have read the opinion and I read it again with the same opinion. There is a big warning in there that if you don't represent the West interests, you will face a ripe DFR suit. The Addington case already has shown that if you deviate far from the Nicolau it will be easy to prove DFR, it wasn't really close. You can blame Judge Wake, but the jury was not impressed by your arguments the first time, maybe the second time is the charm.

You might get away with some type of fences, but the Fortune 500 at the top of the list will probably have to be sucked down into the ratios in order to provide some balance. If you staple the West to the bottom with a DOH list, there is no way to provide any balance to your proposal, even with conditions and restrictions that are novel length.

The company has not been a party to a suit, because they have rightly been steadfast in upholding the Nicolau award. When they deviate from their contractual obligations, they will then get dragged into court too.

You guys do whatever you want, I think you will have to go to court again. The Ninth didn't say you were off the hook for a DFR violation, they just said "not yet."

There is no big warning in there. Give it up. A delta guy who spends his life in an Airways forum. Face it, ALPA got tanked, and for good reason. They could have sorted out this mess, and it is the worst merge attempt ever because that corrupt and corpulent ALPA never could decide its' way out of a paper bag.

 

[cleardirect]

There is no big warning in there. Give it up. A delta guy who spends his life in an Airways forum. Face it, ALPA got tanked, and for good reason. They could have sorted out this mess, and it is the worst merge attempt ever because that corrupt and corpulent ALPA never could decide its' way out of a paper bag.

OK ALPA got tanked. When are you guys going to let it go? 10 years from now are you still going to be crowing about how you got rid of ALPA?

First you say that ALPA could have sorted this out. How? If ALPA could have forced a change to the Nicolau don’t you think they would have? For no other reason than to keep both properties. No the only option ALPA had was to get AWA to agree to give the east something.

Why is it the worst merger ever? Because the east pilots have refused to abide by your agreement. No other reason. If you had lived up to your agreement we would have had all the pilots together with all of that leverage. We would have had a contract. The only resistance to this merger is the east.

ALPA was not corrupt. It is the east pilots that have refused not ALPA. ALPA decided to try and appease the east that was their mistake. They decided to hold multiple meetings to try and force the west to give up our rights. If anyone has reason to blame ALPA it is the west. But we place the blame squarely where it belongs. On the east pilots.

 

[Phoenix]

... we would have had all the pilots together with all of that leverage. ...

We are together. Do your part, Bro.