VA Hospital.

[Flying Titan]

My oh my...then it was subject totally to the clinton/gore raping the military thing if it was under DOD

If Clinton really was responsible for the near-treasonous conditions at Walter Reed, then why did it take the "liberal" media to point it out? Why didn't the 'publicans demand better from day one??? Why didn't W and the 'publican-controlled congress lift a finger to fix anything??? Do they bear any personal responsibiity for what happened during six consecutive years of one-party rule???

Of course, if you're a 'publican then personal responsibility clearly only applies to others! Of course, it's also possible that all of this mess happened under the Bushies, in the first place! It does seem to fit nicely into the looong list of incompetency that we've seen from this administration.

Must have been busy fixing the VA hospital mess that his trusted subordinates stuck up his ass.

Again, Dell, this is NOT a "VA Hospital" mess. Walter Reed is not a VA Hospital. I'm somewhat defensive of VA Hospitals because I've seen many of these facilities and - from the ones I've seen first-hand - they are now very professionally run, modern hospitals that we can be proud of.

 

[delldude]

So much for trusted subordinates,eh?

Could even happen to a Democrat

 

[UAL_TECH]

Whoa....hold the phone......I believe it was from legal action instituted by our Communist legal faction,ACLU that put the wackos on the street....

Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill 😛

You are going to Love this: 😛
Ronald Reagan's Life

1960 As a "Democrat for Nixon," Reagan champions Nixon’s candidacy for president, delivering more than 200 speeches in his support.
1962 G.E. fires Reagan as a political liability when he takes on the Tennessee Valley Authority, as an example of "big government." G.E. has contracts worth millions of dollars.

Reagan switches his political affiliation to the Republican party.

B) UT

 

[delldude]

Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill 😛

You are going to Love this: 😛
Ronald Reagan's Life
B) UT

Read the article and noted mentions of 'activist groups'...like I said...ACLU had a hand in freeing the wackos....

Some years ago, when Ed Koch was mayor of New York City, there was a homeless woman living on a steam grate. Her clothes were filthy, covered with excrement; she was clearly insane. Mayor Koch finally became so upset about the continual news coverage of this tragedy that he ordered the police to take her to a mental hospital. They did so. The ACLU, incensed at this high-handed treatment of a homeless person, filed suit. While the lawyers filed briefs, and the judges pondered the question of due process, the mental hospital treated her.

By the time the courts ordered her release, some time later, she was no longer incoherent. The lawyers doing this fine work for the ACLU hired her to work as a receptionist in their office. Eventually, the ACLU won a resounding victory for the Constitution, due process, and, in their eyes, for this homeless woman. The appellate court judges that heard the case decided that forcing her into a mental hospital denied the basic human dignity to make our own decisions.

That's not the end of the story, however. After a few months of not taking her medicine, this woman again became delusional. She started to act strangely enough that the lawyers finally had to let her go. Newspaper reporters were still following the case; and the last act I saw reported in this tragedy was that she was back on the steam grate, defecating in her pants. Isn't human dignity wonderful?

If you research this subject,you'll find cases like this in every state.[Garfield will check me out...LOL]

The appellate court judges that heard the case decided that forcing her into a mental hospital denied the basic human dignity to make our own decisions.

Doesn't this go against the basic Liberal Tenents of life

I must report myself to the thought police as I believe I have strayed off topic :mf_boff:

 

[Garfield1966]

I would argue no. It does not go against what you describe as the ‘liberal tenants of life".

At what point does the states interest over ride the personal freedoms of an individual? I do not look a the good that may have come out of this tragic situation. I look at the possible abuses that could come about if the city/state/nation is allowed to deem someone as not fit to live on their own and needs to be taken into custody. Who will be watching them? It sounds to me that the ACLU was saying that it is not in the purview of the state to take an individual into custody that does not pose a public risk. Granted the woman in question was more than likely not able to make a rational decision but does that grant the city/state/nation the right to take her into custody. I can see how this power could be easily abused. Yes, what that woman was going through was horrible, and everything possible should be done to help her. How ever if the woman refuses treatment, then that is her right. Government in my opinion, does not have the right to force me to do something just for my well being. If I choose to partake in a destructive behavior, that is my right …. As long as it does not affect someone else.

I guess my overriding concern is that the government needs to be kept in check to prevent abuses. Laws affect everyone, laws cannot be enacted based on the needs of a single individual. The case of Terri Shivo is a perfect example. Florida passed a law based on one person. Not only was the law in violation of the US Constitution, it was also simply bad law.

I do not choose to allow government any more control over my life that they have already gained and I am glad the ACLU if fighting them tooth and nail to hold them in check.

 

[delldude]

And so now we have a population of people living the homeless life that are out amongst us with severe mental incapacities who routinely make the news one time or another and some innocent gets hurt or worse....where does one draw the line?

My error....its Tenets...

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Where are the "faith-based" social service programs when we need them?

 

[delldude]

The people mentioned want nothing other than another bottle of wine or some more pills.....ones that want help know the avenues that already exist.

Ones that don't know better were unlocked a long time ago....under existing law,they cannot be forced or coerced into doing anything they don't want to unless of course they are a danger to society.....even to themselves is a long reach to prove.

Where are the "faith-based" social service programs when we need them?

Can't have your boys freaking out over separation of church and state.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Can't have your boys freaking out over separation of church and state.

I think you automatically read a "sarcastic" tone into my posts... or perhaps you just always want to be disagreeable. We likely agree on many things, and I would wage a bet that we probably agree on faith-based programs.

 

[delldude]

As far as faith based programs.....most end up in a legal challenge from what it appears.
No I don't always disagree....but you threw that out rather cynically.....
I try to listen to both sides.....

BTW...you're alright in your opinions as far as i'm concerned...no one sided debate. 😉

 

[local 12 proud]

Where are the "faith-based" social service programs when we need them?

There are services in every city but you have to remember they rely on Donations and they are not equipped nor licensed to medically treat the mentally ill, Schizophrenia is one example that comes to mind.

...Something about leading a horse to water but can't make it drink.

 

[delldude]

Neighbor is Schizoid....always out in the back yard saying..."you talking to me?...you talking to me?.....

I always thought he saw that movie....