What Do The Pilot's Gain,

[jack mama]

Are there any fancy CH11 rules that limits the rights of the pilots if they vote down the TA?

I don't understand why the RC4 would prevent a vote.

Do they think there is a better deal to be had, or do they want the judge the enforce it on them, instead of voluntarily voting it in?

 

[SoldWholeSale]

I was in the room when no less than 100 USAir pilots ask them the same question in person. Each of the three gentleman present (one never shows and votes by proxy), stared silently forward, would not make visual contact with anyone, and refused to answer even one single question.

The PIT/PHL reps are proof of what the pilots have done to themselves. Noone wants the ALPA job, for the most part, the most gifted/talented pilots in the airline are apathetic and take no part in the process. The gentleman ( I use that term loosley), such as the PIT/PHL reps who then take the job for one reason or another are whats left and this is the hole we now find ourselves in.....

They will most likely prevent the TA from going to a vote. The court will without any doubt what so ever give the company its ask, which will increase exponentially between now and then and the pilots will all be *shocked* over what a terrible deal they got and couldn't anything have been done. Oh, by the way, thats best case scenario..... Worst case, there will be a whole lot of big houses around lake Norman and on the Northeast side of PIT for sale because USAir went out of business and more than 3,000 pilots now know their "true market value".

 

[FM2436]

So claim PRIDE and satisfaction in knowing they did the right thing.

 

[jack mama]

What pride is there in forcing 28,000 employees out of a job?

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Jack Mama, all you do is ask questions on here. There are answers to your questions all around but you apparently don't want to read them. Point blank, the PIT and PHL LEC reps are listening to their pilot group. And, what they are hearing back is that the TA would not pass. Keep in mind, if the TA goes out for a vote (regardless of the outcome) the union loses the right to 'self-help' meaning work actions or strikes. While that may seem way off, it is nonetheless and important bargaining tool not to give up. This is about keeping a profession in the highest standards; that being we should be paid and treated accordingly. The pilot group has given over a billion dollars, and you're still asking why they don't want to give more? Why don't YOU give more this time around. Sorry, I am done.

 

[cavalier]

I love the way this is twisted to make it look like a few pilot’s fault and not ONE word of a corrupt, deceitful, inept management team that was born in hell, not one word. You people are astounding. But on the other hand: They, “managementâ€￾ have you exactly where they want you, in their trance.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Are there any fancy CH11 rules that limits the rights of the pilots if they vote down the TA?

I don't understand why the RC4 would prevent a vote.

Do they think there is a better deal to be had, or do they want the judge the enforce it on them, instead of voluntarily voting it in?

[post="187443"][/post]​

Jack, the current transition agreement language has thrown out ALL references to fragementation language.....for a reason. At this time, as the language now stands, the pilots are BETTER with the judge. Actually BETTER in every area except the judge is being asked for a larger pay cut. I am not sure about rights after voting down a ta....I would think we would just be back at square one with the company asking the judge for relief. Sad thing is, neither way, the ta or the judges relief makes the changes to this company that will save it. Best. Greeter.

 

[robbedagain]

I love the way this is twisted to make it look like a few pilot’s fault and not ONE word of a corrupt, deceitful, inept management team that was born in hell, not one word. You people are astounding. But on the other hand: They, “managementâ€￾ have you exactly where they want you, in their trance.

[post="187458"][/post]​

i agree here. it is mgmts fault we're in this boat of a mess. if they had not given up the millions to five clowns who couldnt run the airline, then the airline may not have been in this bad of a shape and had wolf actually had a plan b due to the failed merger we may have been better off. mgmt still dosent know how to run the airline.

 

[jack mama]

It doesn't matter who's fault it is. The outcome will be the same. The question is, what do the pilot's gain by not voting?

Eye says they give up "self help"? We already know they don't have self help with the 1113e. Do you mean self help when they try to replace the entire contract?

 

[Walmartgreeter]

It doesn't matter who's fault it is. The outcome will be the same. The question is, what do the pilot's gain by not voting?

Actually...in my world it DOES matter who's fault it is, ESPECIALLY if the outcome is going to be the same. Guess that is a topic for another day, after we are gone. Greeter. Again..one more time. The pilots GAIN the retention of their fragmentation rights by not voting on this.

 

[bobcat]

I definately am no expert with bankruptcy laws or procedures. Could someone please tell me how it is legal and just for a judge to cut employee wages and benefits and force them to work because of management's ineptness. Not to mention all groups have contracts. How is this possible? Is there nothing at all that protects the employees of a company in bankruptcy? Why should the employees go to hell because of management's "sins"?

 

[Mtnman928]

> the most gifted/talented pilots in the airline<

[post="187446"][/post]​

Just what is it that makes these people so "gifted/talanted"? If they truely have these abilities they would be involved in what is going on with the Union.

I think every pilot living in the northeast hills of PIT knows exactly what is going on and making that known to the PIT reps.

MTNMan

 

[FlyingHippie]

the ta is a big mess. it's so bad it should not go for a vote.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

I definately am no expert with bankruptcy laws or procedures. Could someone please tell me how it is legal and just for a judge to cut employee wages and benefits and force them to work because of management's ineptness. Not to mention all groups have contracts. How is this possible? Is there nothing at all that protects the employees of a company in bankruptcy? Why should the employees go to hell because of management's "sins"?

[post="187476"][/post]​

Who's going to pay for it? Who is required to pay for what you want or feel you deserve? Do you have any inkling of who can force someone to do that? Remember it's the USA.

 

[cavalier]

I definately am no expert with bankruptcy laws or procedures. Could someone please tell me how it is legal and just for a judge to cut employee wages and benefits and force them to work because of management's ineptness. Not to mention all groups have contracts. How is this possible? Is there nothing at all that protects the employees of a company in bankruptcy? Why should the employees go to hell because of management's "sins"?

[post="187476"][/post]​

They won't, and if they try sending the employees to hell then the entire company will go to hell, right to where management had it pointed for eons.