When Obamacare is repealed - a couple of questions

[KCFlyer]

How much money will you expect to save each month?

What if you don't?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I don't think people will put up with these insurance companies screwing people much longer.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/arizon...stings-worse-scorpion-venom/story?id=17163685

Anascorp (anti-venom) is sold to hospitals for $3,800 dollars per vial.

Marcie Edmonds was charged $83,046, or $39,652 per Anascorp vial.

The drug is made from horse antibodies and comes from Mexico, where it costs about $100 per dose, according to Kaiser Health News.

So the cost is $100 USD but the hospitals charge $39,652 dollars.

For those of you mathematically challenged that is a 39552% mark up.

KCFlyer the reason these costs are so outrageous to begin with is because of insurance.

This is what happens when you socialize costs.

Maybe you should think about that before you decide to let the government turn insurance into an entitlement program.

 

[KCFlyer]

I don't think people will put up with these insurance companies screwing people much longer.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/arizon...stings-worse-scorpion-venom/story?id=17163685

Anascorp (anti-venom) is sold to hospitals for $3,800 dollars per vial.

Marcie Edmonds was charged $83,046, or $39,652 per Anascorp vial.

The drug is made from horse antibodies and comes from Mexico, where it costs about $100 per dose, according to Kaiser Health News.

So the cost is $100 USD but the hospitals charge $39,652 dollars.

For those of you mathematically challenged that is a 39552% mark up.

KCFlyer the reason these costs are so outrageous to begin with is because of insurance.

This is what happens when you socialize costs.

Maybe you should think about that before you decide to let the government turn insurance into an entitlement program.

Then why can I go to socialized Canada (or France, England or Finland) and pay a fraction of the price I would pay here for the same medication?

 

[jimntx]

Because those countries do not prevent government agencies from negotiating prices with the drug manufacturers. It's no problem for insurance companies and large corporations like mine to do it, but not the government agencies. Belonging to a self-insured company's health insurance plan means I pay a LOT less for my medications than someone who is unemployed or self-employed and can't afford insurance.

This is a provision of the ACA (aka Obamacare) insisted on by Congress. They do not intend to eliminate this block to affordable medications in the new, improved, lemon-freshened, Borax-strengthened health care plan. And, Congress doesn't care that a negotiation provision would greatly reduce the overall cost of any health care plan. Their pockets are lined with money from the drug manufacturers.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You already know why.

Because you have lobbyist hired by insurance companies giving politicians big piles of money to keep the status quo.

Nobody in power wants to change it because they are being enriched by the current system and taxpayers fund their insurance cost anyway. Socializing cost through insurance is what created this mess to begin with.

Ask yourself why the Canadian medicare bill is 13 pages and Obamacare with regulations looks like this.

Sen. McConnell Press
✔@McConnellPress
#ObamaCare regulations - 828 pages in one day. Overall, there are nearly 20,000 pages – with many more to come.

Nancy Pelosi - “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”




Obamacare always was a scam. You had a bunch of parasitic socialist vote it in because they thought they were getting something for nothing.

Even Canada realizes socialism creates parasites.

http://economics.uwo.ca/undergraduate/wuer/2003/4_Karsh.pdf

"Ontario Works" - a mandatory work-for-welfare program - was introduced in 1996 once CAP ended.

Welfare rolls decreased by 400,000 between 1995-'99 in Ontario and Ontario Works was claimed to be a major factor in this.

 

[xUT]

Pure Capitalism doesn't work.
Pure Communism does not work.
Pure Socialism does not work.
Dictatorship does not work.
There has to be a balance.

That's why I am not a clone.
I voted for Trump but I am very disappointed with his performance.

JMHO,
xUT

 

[KCFlyer]

You already know why.

Because you have lobbyist hired by insurance companies giving politicians big piles of money to keep the status quo.

Nobody in power wants to change it because they are being enriched by the current system and taxpayers fund their insurance cost anyway. Socializing cost through insurance is what created this mess to begin with.

Ask yourself why the Canadian medicare bill is 13 pages and Obamacare with regulations looks like this.


Sen. McConnell Press
✔@McConnellPress
#ObamaCare regulations - 828 pages in one day. Overall, there are nearly 20,000 pages – with many more to come.

Nancy Pelosi - “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”




Obamacare always was a scam. You had a bunch of parasitic socialist vote it in because they thought they were getting something for nothing.

Even Canada realizes socialism creates parasites.

http://economics.uwo.ca/undergraduate/wuer/2003/4_Karsh.pdf

"Ontario Works" - a mandatory work-for-welfare program - was introduced in 1996 once CAP ended.

Welfare rolls decreased by 400,000 between 1995-'99 in Ontario and Ontario Works was claimed to be a major factor in this.

It kind of sounds like you are blaming socialized costs for the high price of prescription drugs...then it's lobbyists....then you realized that you inadvertently pointed out a BENEFIT of socialist policies so you had to shift to parasites with socialism, but once again inadvertently pointed out that things can be done to address it. I've said for years that while pure socialism is not good....neither is pure capitalism. You need a blend. Nobody in power wants to admit that, which is why the right has demonized the word "socialism".

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

It kind of sounds like you are blaming socialized costs for the high price of prescription drugs...then it's lobbyists....then you realized that you inadvertently pointed out a BENEFIT of socialist policies so you had to shift to parasites with socialism, but once again inadvertently pointed out that things can be done to address it. I've said for years that while pure socialism is not good....neither is pure capitalism. You need a blend. Nobody in power wants to admit that, which is why the right has demonized the word "socialism".

You only saw what you wanted to see.

Let me clarify.

Socializing cost through insurance is what created this mess to begin with.

That is where all of this began.

That is where healthcare cost spiraled out of control.

I have no doubt that had cost not been socialized healthcare today would be much more affordable.

 

[KCFlyer]

You only saw what you wanted to see.

Let me clarify.

Socializing cost through insurance is what created this mess to begin with.

That is where all of this began.

That is where healthcare cost spiraled out of control.

I have no doubt that had cost not been socialized healthcare today would be much more affordable.

What I saw was a post from a guy bemoaning high prescription costs on socializing health care...But that same poster had also said that we should have taken the base of Medicare and expanded it. If that ain't socializing costs....what is? When I pointed out that socialized Canada sells the same prescriptions at a fraction of the costs, he pulls a "squirrel" and cites welfare abuse in Canada and a mandatory "work for welfare"...which means that even in a socialist society, steps can be taken to address abuse.

And healthcare costs started spiraling out of control well before any socialization...it started when doctors stopped accepting chickens and cows for payment.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What I saw was a post from a guy bemoaning high prescription costs on socializing health care...But that same poster had also said that we should have taken the base of Medicare and expanded it. If that ain't socializing costs....what is? When I pointed out that socialized Canada sells the same prescriptions at a fraction of the costs, he pulls a "squirrel" and cites welfare abuse in Canada and a mandatory "work for welfare"...which means that even in a socialist society, steps can be taken to address abuse.

And healthcare costs started spiraling out of control well before any socialization...it started when doctors stopped accepting chickens and cows for payment.

Are you implying that I am the poster who made ALL of those comments?

I for one never said anything about expanding medicare.

I think you are confusing 2 posters as 1.

 

[KCFlyer]

Are you implying that I am the poster who made ALL of those comments?

I for one never said anything about expanding medicare.

I think you are confusing 2 posters as 1.

keeptheodds made the statement that pretty much made all of those comments. But you can answer...if socialized costs were where all this started, why do prescription drugs in countries with "socialized costs" so much less expensive than they are here?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Watch out he has his crayons out.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Watch out he has his crayons out.

Hey Dog do the letters F O mean anything to you?

 

[xUT]

keeptheodds made the statement that pretty much made all of those comments. But you can answer...if socialized costs were where all this started, why so prescription drugs in countries with "socialized costs" so much less expensive than they are here?

Too funny and accurate.
Give em He11 Flyer!

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Then why can I go to socialized Canada (or France, England or Finland) and pay a fraction of the price I would pay here for the same medication?

I tell you what KCFlyer, go to Google and type in the following.

Canada to cut healthcare
France to cut healthcare
England to cut healthcare
Finland to cut healthcare

You will see a trend that ALL of these countries have slashed their healthcare budgets by BILLIONS of dollars because they were unsustainable.

Don't take my word for it. Go look for yourself.


Now let me ask you something. Let's both agree there is a cost associated with compliance of regulations. If Democrats were truly interested in offering affordable healthcare that was subsidized with taxes would the ACA look like this?