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Liberace,
You speak of presenting your views without being judged or critized Soooo

what exactly are your views.. ?????? In reading your post you just seem to want to pick a fight

So the stage is all your's What are YOUR views on OUR current contract. Meaning USAIRWAYS..

If your what I think you are. then to defend your BOSS . please give us ignorant members the

real scope on RANDY . please sing his acalades of all his accomplishments. Because on OUR side of

the tracks haven't seen any..
 
Liberace,
You speak of presenting your views without being judged or critized Soooo

what exactly are your views.. ?????? In reading your post you just seem to want to pick a fight

So the stage is all your's What are YOUR views on OUR current contract. Meaning USAIRWAYS..

If your what I think you are. then to defend your BOSS . please give us ignorant members the

real scope on RANDY . please sing his acalades of all his accomplishments. Because on OUR side of

the tracks haven't seen any..

I wasn't my intention to give the perception that I just wanted to pick a fight. So first of all I think our current contract sucks major A**. I'd like to get back everything we lost and then some, bottom line money in our pockets, job security, and benefit improvements. I think that is what we all want including the people negotiating our agreements. By no means do I think you should referr to we as members as ignorant, don't under estimate us. And as far as Canale goes our current contract was negotiated under bankruptcy law the company gave us a number and we picked our poisen. We voted down the TA and we are now waiting for a new and improved agreement. All the rest of what is going on at the table is all rumor.
 
I wasn't my intention to give the perception that I just wanted to pick a fight. So first of all I think our current contract sucks major A**. I'd like to get back everything we lost and then some, bottom line money in our pockets, job security, and benefit improvements. I think that is what we all want including the people negotiating our agreements. By no means do I think you should referr to we as members as ignorant, don't under estimate us. And as far as Canale goes our current contract was negotiated under bankruptcy law the company gave us a number and we picked our poisen. We voted down the TA and we are now waiting for a new and improved agreement. All the rest of what is going on at the table is all rumor.

Liberace,
Do you think that the last T/A was a reasonable offer from the company? Given the company's current finacial position. And, do you think that that T/A was concessionary in nature? Because the current leadership within the I'll Ask MAnagement, our NC, thought that we should take a T/A that was in fact concessionary. The whole NC signed off on it.
 
Give us some reasons why we should keep Canale and his traitorous bunch. They are so out of touch with the reality of our situation and unable to see past their own ambitions. So please do tell. They have had two chances to correct the injustice that was forced upon us and all they could do was give us another concessionary T/A. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
 
Liberace,
Do you think that the last T/A was a reasonable offer from the company? Given the company's current finacial position. And, do you think that that T/A was concessionary in nature? Because the current leadership within the I'll Ask MAnagement, our NC, thought that we should take a T/A that was in fact concessionary. The whole NC signed off on it.

Also, why does the I'll Ask Management think that it is O.K. to still give back to the company? I thought that the "concession stand" was closed? Did it re-open, because Canoli felt Dougweiser needed more money from Fleet? When will the I'll Ask Management wake up and realize that Fleet Service should not have to "pay or give" anything back to this company for improvements in our
CBA?
 
liberace,
So your one of us. GREAT .. glad to hear it. where do you work ..

"So first of all I think our current contract sucks major A**. I'd like to get back everything we lost and then some, bottom line "
I see from your previous post your with us. So please tell what station are you in . hub or class II

. I work in a hub...
 
liberace,
So your one of us. GREAT .. glad to hear it. where do you work ..

"So first of all I think our current contract sucks major A**. I'd like to get back everything we lost and then some, bottom line "
I see from your previous post your with us. So please tell what station are you in . hub or class II

. I work in a hub...

Good luck with getting an answer Oman. I work in a Class II station. It seems ever since everybody affiliated with the I'll Ask Management, the AGC's, or anybody who signed off on the last offer is now rejecting it. Funny now that their jobs are on the line they agree with Fleet.
 
Liberace,
Do you think that the last T/A was a reasonable offer from the company? Given the company's current finacial position. And, do you think that that T/A was concessionary in nature? Because the current leadership within the I'll Ask MAnagement, our NC, thought that we should take a T/A that was in fact concessionary. The whole NC signed off on it.

I was watching the game. Ok first the offer was the offer, I believe the company's finacial situation was undetermined because of the merger.That was a merger agreement not a traditional sec 6 agreement. As far as the T/A being concessionary in nature I don't think so, we all wanted everything without consideration for the class 2 and the west, the T/A brought the class 2 up, it protected cargo, it eliminated the 60 day recall, it had improvments in sick leave, LOA, vacation, and pension ( have you seen the 401ks lately they are taking a beating). Not crazy about the 2012 snap-backs. However, saying all that here is my question....I assume the company reads this site. Do you think it is wise to post what you want or what you would settle for? $19 -$20. shoot high let them wonder. Looking back was it better to have something then rather than have nothing now? We voted on shooting tht agreement down. Lets not sell ourselves short what do we want to see in the next T/A?
 
what do we want to see in the next T/A?

I would like to see:
$23.00 hr
Sick time accrual and pay back to the 1999 CBA
Vacation time and accrual as in the 1999 CBA
Shift differential
All stations Class I stations no matter how many flights in/out
No Class II citys with protections that on the ammendable date so Class I citys can not be downgraded
NO OUTSOURCING with protections that on the ammendable datethat there will be NO OUTSOURCING
Better Helath/Dental benefits
401k match with the pension
Doubletime
Overtime by-pass rules
Line pay
Longevity pay
2% raises each year with a 4.5% raise at the ammendable date to speed up negotiations
DOH senority
Merger protections
Better CIC language
 
I was watching the game. Ok first the offer was the offer, I believe the company's finacial situation was undetermined because of the merger.That was a merger agreement not a traditional sec 6 agreement. As far as the T/A being concessionary in nature I don't think so, we all wanted everything without consideration for the class 2 and the west, the T/A brought the class 2 up, it protected cargo, it eliminated the 60 day recall, it had improvments in sick leave, LOA, vacation, and pension ( have you seen the 401ks lately they are taking a beating). Not crazy about the 2012 snap-backs. However, saying all that here is my question....I assume the company reads this site. Do you think it is wise to post what you want or what you would settle for? $19 -$20. shoot high let them wonder. Looking back was it better to have something then rather than have nothing now? We voted on shooting tht agreement down. Lets not sell ourselves short what do we want to see in the next T/A?
The Sept TA was a major consession. $19.00/hr is a meager wage. The west has an amendable
contract. Giving that up alone was a big consession. If the west would have retained
everything they had and recieved a new contract just keeping up with inflation they would
have done much better than the TA.

But let's talk about the 401K for a moment. It's not doing well now. But there were periods
where some employees were making more on there 401K/month than thier salary. It
evens out. It's also computed on gross income. In the pension part timers got one half
the contribution full timers got. Pension plans have a risk. There have been many go
broke lately. So there's risks both ways. Further one must ask how many people will
reach the vested stage. I bet the IAM has made a calculation on that.

The real point to consider is that the west is hurting. This is because IMO [please
disagree if you like] timing of the merger and the IAM's short shightedness allowed
the company to due and end round the TWU contract. The majority of the west
is willing to settle for basically less than they had before. East class 2 cities also are
in this catagory.

To me It's a crime if the company were allowed to get a cheap contract based on the
fact that they have such a cheap contract now. I don't myself know what to say
to those whose current wage is menial. But to use them as bargaining chips seems
to me to be less that moral. But that's buisness I suppose we live in the US and
we can switch jobs.

WN TWU is currently asking $26.00 and top out at 8 years. People have no clue
as to the affect of inflation. $26.00 is not an outrageous figure. I may be wrong
but It may not even represent much of a real terms gain for them. Thanks BF
 
I was watching the game. Ok first the offer was the offer, I believe the company's finacial situation was undetermined because of the merger.That was a merger agreement not a traditional sec 6 agreement. As far as the T/A being concessionary in nature I don't think so, we all wanted everything without consideration for the class 2 and the west, the T/A brought the class 2 up, it protected cargo, it eliminated the 60 day recall, it had improvments in sick leave, LOA, vacation, and pension ( have you seen the 401ks lately they are taking a beating). Not crazy about the 2012 snap-backs. However, saying all that here is my question....I assume the company reads this site. Do you think it is wise to post what you want or what you would settle for? $19 -$20. shoot high let them wonder. Looking back was it better to have something then rather than have nothing now? We voted on shooting tht agreement down. Lets not sell ourselves short what do we want to see in the next T/A?
Remember, in bankruptcy, I dont' recall traditional bargaining either. Bottom line is that bargaining is bargaining and the company wants the COC out of the agreement because the envirnoment has changed and the company wants to be a player in the upcoming mergers. Otherwise, try to convince me of any other reason why the company is negotiating instead of waiting till 2009. Leverage unions. The Unions have something the company and Al needs. Bottom line.

We aren't settling for anything less than $20 hr. I personally, think it's profane just to settle for $20hr but considering Canale's crew wanted to accept $19 bucks last week [But the newbies put a break on it] it will be extremely difficult with our own Union Boss conceding and justifying the company's positon. 3 workers [Hall, Simmons, Fairbanks], who are elected by the membership are saying screw you to $19hr, OTOH, Canale and crew [Previous negotiators, including westies] wanted to accept $19 and throw 19 stations under the buss again. Some informational meetings implied that Canale was willing and bent on accepting Al's proposal without a counter. Basically the whole, 'stock price is low, 'lions, tigers, and bears, Canale speech was replayed. And according to "The Janitor" , Canale threw the 19 stations under the bus with his counter proposal. I got a problem with not raising the wage of steps 1-10. I got a problem of a union counter proposal not grandfathering or guaranteeing all current work as fleet service work.
I mean, what the hell, just raising the last step and screwing everyone else just suggest to me that Canale is desperate to just attempt to gain majority support. His 'math' will 'great pain' to him as his math will fall short. Our network of solidarity is strong and Canale will experience great personal "Pain" when the nominations take place this month.

Your boy Canale wanted to settle for 'piss clam' last year, and even reportedly wanted to sign last week until our 3 newbies told him to get a grip. He claimed $19 was the 'best he could do' and claimed he only got that because of COC language. He's in error, as fleet service still has the 'current' leverage of the COC as the environment has changed and it's 'merger mania'.
We have effectively rendered Canale ineffective and slapped him to the sidelines in return for 3 negotiators who may not be experiened but aren't sellouts like the rest, and they have the support of 8,000 workers behind them. The membership has lost confidence in Boss Canale. We gave Randy 2 years to work things out in this merger but he screwed it up so bad we had to overtake him and "Bull Rush" him to the sidelines.
Bottom line, negotiations are negotiations, we'll get $20hr, extra vactation, sick time, etc., or Al can wait till 2009. It's his call. Bottom line. Otherwise, it's called 'screw transition'.

And if "The Janitor" is right then screw everything if all levels of the wage step isn't taken care of. Fleet service is tigher than 'two coats of paint' therefore we don't have any problem if Al wants to 'flutter around'. No big deal. Gots to take care of ourselves first before we's accept a goofy TA. Fleet service will hold its position and take this whole damn thing down before it accepts something less than equitable.

Regards,
Tim Nelson,
IAM Local Chairman, Chicago 1487
 
Open your eyes people! The company wants all contracts to expire in 2011. Can't you all see the reasoning with this? It pretties us up for a merger! Take heed, if all contracts expire in 2012, how quick will it be for fleet to negotiate with bigger groups waiting in line?
Play it smart and go for the gusto after 2009. IAM contract will be settled, more moolah and benefits. The company is making money right now, there will hopefully be a democrat in office and wages will soar. To go for an extra buck or two and a couple of sick days is ludicrous to say the least. Get going on that new contract and vote any other shi$$y T/A that may come your way. We have shown solidarity in the past and must not let our guards down. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !
 
Stop with the wait until 2009 , we're sick of hearing it ... Remember PHX is now in the drivers seat , many of you are just sitting by the sidelines TALKING again ... enough with the COC being worth something , it's worth squat as we've already seen in court , i don't think we all need to waste another year of our lives to figure that out again ...
 
Real smart Freedom. Let just wait 3 years to figure it out. The pressure the west is putting on this company is a smart move but why settle with a T/A for another 4 years when you can have a brand new contract set in a year is stupidity.

The only thing the company wants in that transition is an extension on the one up for bargaining in 2009. They could give a rats a$$ about an extra dollar or two. Al is just playing you all for fools. Don't underestimate him, this is what he does best.

Even if we did settle with a few extra $$$'s your senior agents in PHX will just be standing in the execution line for termination. Divide and conquer is what this company does with perfection. They think you westies are stupid enough to settle for less because unfortunately that is what you all have been doing for a really long time. We all know your frustrations but all know that this is the p-e-r-f-e-c-t time to be in the drivers seat for new contract bargaining before all the skilled labor robs you of whatever we could have if there is an extension signed on the CBA. NOW, with a transition minus the extension....that would be sweet....but beware....a T/A passed now will NOT BE MINUS THAT EXTENSION!
 
your either all in or your out ... buddy , just cause it says 2009 , don't mean it will be done in 2009 ... think 2010 , 2011 ... we ain't waiting that long ... we've waited long enough ...

How we fare in talks is up to you , are you going to help us put some serious pressure on this company and get a better TA , or are you just going to sit in the break room and chat with me on usaviation.com ?



Also everyone don't forget to vote for Ron Roth on feb 5th at the road house hotel where we have our union meetings in tempe !


RON RON RON !!!! :up:

voting for Ron is the least we can do to say THANK YOU for all of the hard work he's put in fighting for us ..
 
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