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Seperate, Seperate, Seperate...
These aren't the 70's anymore. Things have changed and we must do the same. Trust me folks, there is life after the "ME-TOO"... Let us have the opportunity to negotiate our own contract without the coat-strings of the pilots. It's time to move on and make our own decisions....
Just my opinion...
I'll not trust anyone that says..."Trust me". That sounds like a used car salesman's pitch.
The absolute worst mistake we could ever make in the flight attendant work group is to agree to separate from the pilots. Any changes to the "Me Too" clause is a non-starter for me regardless of how much more money they want to give us. If we think our lives have gotten tougher because of the wacky reserve system, 70% sick pay, less vacation and all of the other concessions we've made in the past, vote out the "Me Too" and what positive remnants we have left of this job will be gone. The union shouldn't even have this issue on the table.
Seperate, Seperate, Seperate...
These aren't the 70's anymore. Things have changed and we must do the same. Trust me folks, there is life after the "ME-TOO"... Let us have the opportunity to negotiate our own contract without the coat-strings of the pilots. It's time to move on and make our own decisions....
Just my opinion...
ebwgs,
Could you please list the protections that the "me too" clause gives us, that couldn't be easily negotiated into our contract? Remember, MF says that unless our work rules and protections are better than they are now, we won't separate from the pilots.
What "positive remnants" have the pilots kept for us? The rigs? Nope, they gave those away. Scope? Nope, they gave that away. Every E170 you see parked at the C gates and many of the CRJ's parked at F gates used to be our flying. Yah, they protected us alright. Protected many out of a job, and the rest onto reserve...
Everyone on the line keeps talking about how the fa's were so abused at Piedmont when they were separate. Mike is NOT going to move forward with this unless he has the protections in place! What's sad is that 90% of the senior people I have been flying with haven't even seen Mike's email on the separation, and don't even receive E-lines. It's borderline pathetithe company will c.
Let's think outside of the box here, and see what the Union can come up with. Unless you are content with this current working agreement for years to come....??
IREST...
There is no such thing as a contractual issue benefitting the flight attendants--or any labor group for that matter--being "easily negotiated" into our contract.
The "Me Too" clause, which has benefited our work group for many years, was borne out of hard work and tough negotiating on the part of our union. To assume that the company will "easily" accede to negotiating work rules and protections that will serve the best interests of the flight attendants as well as the company is a bit naive.
Have we lost some work rules as a result of the "Me Too"? No doubt we have. Are you contending that, if not for the "Me Too" that we would still be enjoying the work rules that we lost as a result of the "Me Too.?" Is it your contention that our union, if it were "negotiating for itself" as another poster put it, would not have negotiated away the 1 for 3 that was negotiated back in the 90s in a concessionary contract?
Would we not have lost work rules during the post 9/11 "force majeure", pre-bankruptcy, post-bankruptcy butt kicking that we took? It's hard for me to believe that, if there were no "Me Too" that we'd still have those work rules.
If, as you noted, that the Piedmont flight attendants were "abused" prior to the US/PI merger, then that is enough information for me to make an educated position in favor of the "Me Too."
If I know nothing else I know that history repeats itself. I'm not interested in west coast turns.
Personally, I don't want to flirt with the possibility of deadheading to Europe and then turning around and working the flight back. I don't care if it is a 15+ hour one day.
I'm not disparaging Mike or any other union official on the JNC. They are hard working people and I do believe they have our work group's best interest at heart. And I guaran--damn--tee you this: If Mike does accomplish, as you faithfully noted in your post: "MF says that unless our work rules and protections are better than they are now, we won't separate from the pilots", that he will not have "easily" accomplished this amazing feat as you noted in your post. I really would rather not take a gamble on Mike performing miracles. I'd rather maintain the "Me Too" and not have to hope for a miracle. Just my point of view.
And I hope we maintain the "Me Too."