Contract Maintenance screwup again!

[700UW]

ST MAE strikes again.

And the MROs are not held to the same scrutiny as the airlines are by the FAA.

Wonder if ST MAE is going to pay for the damage and lost revenue.

Hopefully the work will be moved to ACTS, instead of ST MAE Chop Shop.

 

[UPNAWAY]

It's all about the money. The airline philosophy these days is this:

It's cheaper to occasionally pay out an insurance claim for loss of life (CRASH) as opposed to paying for getting the stuff done right the first time. FAA oversight is a crock of ####!!! Who is watching overseas??????

OK this is the kind of union rhetoric or mindless idiocy we have to deal with!
Does anyone think an airline bean counter thinks it is cheaper to have a hull lost, the loss of life and insuing lawsuits and the negative publicity a crash would incure to justify the outsourcing? No of course this is not the justification.
Please take BUS 101 and ECON 101. I think unions should try an educate their people before they indoctrinate them. But of course if they did that they wouldn't need unions now would they?

 

[AP Tech]

[quote name='UPNAWAY' date='Nov 18 2005, 01:10
I believe "Contract" MX is when one hires a 3rd party "Vendor" to do the MX work? What don't you understand?

My thoughts exactly.....I believe you were the one who brought up "In-house, Union" Maintenance. :huh: The discussion is about a "CONTRACT, 3RD PARTY, VENDOR, ECT,ECT" who USAirways hired to do work on an aircraft and screwed it up!!! The aircraft was out of revenue service which costs $$$$...UNDERSTAND??? :huh:

 

[smmech]

It's all about the money. The airline philosophy these days is this:

It's cheaper to occasionally pay out an insurance claim for loss of life (CRASH) as opposed to paying for getting the stuff done right the first time. FAA oversight is a crock of ####!!! Who is watching overseas??????

OK this is the kind of union rhetoric or mindless idiocy we have to deal with!
Does anyone think an airline bean counter thinks it is cheaper to have a hull lost, the loss of life and insuing lawsuits and the negative publicity a crash would incure to justify the outsourcing? No of course this is not the justification.
Please take BUS 101 and ECON 101. I think unions should try an educate their people before they indoctrinate them. But of course if they did that they wouldn't need unions now would they?

How bout Ethics???? Thats a good one. Maybe a wee bit of nationalism.. Not all union people are uneducated socialists. We realize unions are for-profit, capitolist companies that apply many of the same buisness tactics that they ask there members to fight against. Thats life in America , but if your a member of the labor force their all you have. Show me a company that truely cares about its employees and shows it through pay and benifits, and I'll see a young company that luckly made it. founded by hippies.
England has the Labor party... BA's one day wildcat strike inpressed the hell out of me and made me think, why did it legally take 9 mos. + for the strike at NWA and 1 day at BA.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

So what about the part about the gear having triple the damage after the BFM screw-ups were corrected by CLT mechanics and the gear swung in CLT. Was that incorrect?

My apologies PITMTC,

The CLT crew did reverse the improperly installed fittings..and Yes a Gear Wing was performed (slowly) with the damaged panels still removed...and waiting for replacements that are still on the far horizon.

It seems that the initial damage Jimmy'd more than meets the eye..and even Engineering seems stumped. The Acft is still in Bay 3 , up on jacks trying to get sorted out..but the long term issues are obtaining parts that are not readily stocked items with the Manufacturer or any alternative vendors.

Basically...we are dealing with a big mess..with no quick resolve in sight. This is not a CLT problem...this is a 3rd party problem from start to finish.

Don't worry...CLT will have this beast ready to go...well , as soon as all the parts arrive anyway.

 

[PITMTC]

My apologies PITMTC,.......

Don't worry...CLT will have this beast ready to go...well , as soon as all the parts arrive anyway.

Don't you appologize to me, I only want to hear that from from the chumps down in BFM. Actually, I don't want to hear it from them, they could save it.
And there is no doubt in my mind that it will come out right out of CLT base maintenance.

 

[calibrator]

It's all about the money. The airline philosophy these days is this:

It's cheaper to occasionally pay out an insurance claim for loss of life (CRASH) as opposed to paying for getting the stuff done right the first time. FAA oversight is a crock of ####!!! Who is watching overseas??????

OK this is the kind of union rhetoric or mindless idiocy we have to deal with!
Does anyone think an airline bean counter thinks it is cheaper to have a hull lost, the loss of life and insuing lawsuits and the negative publicity a crash would incure to justify the outsourcing? No of course this is not the justification.
Please take BUS 101 and ECON 101. I think unions should try an educate their people before they indoctrinate them. But of course if they did that they wouldn't need unions now would they?

The trouble with many unions, and we all can read a few perfect examples on these boards of a few, is the fact that those promoting unions are very poor PR people. They come across as reckless crazies and many are indeed that way. Like a radical they make radical claims sounding like buffoons and instead of gaining support make people turn around and run the other way. Unions are only as good as their officials and look at what they have in place, buffoons and morons. It's like the insane trying to make the sane think like them, and who wants insanity as the norm.

And then there is the “going to the publicâ€￾ mantra to make their case when the public is no better off, that or on the other end they are well do to and loathe anything union and what it represents and promotes, lazy in your face has been losers that need unions because they can’t help themselves without union extortion and antics to get themselves through life.

Unions are loathed for good reason, they are falling apart for good reason. Their foundation was built on threats, intimidation and extortion. In today’s world climate of sensibilities and strict boundaries of right and wrong the unions are coming out on the wrong end, and they are fast losing their once powerful grip on corporate America. Corporate America rebelled against all these in your face morons called union officials and that’s why you need to speak a different language to get a decent job today. Unions in Action.

 

[PITMTC]

Gosh darn Calibrator,
I couldn't agree with you more. This is definitely the perception out there.

 

[hula-flyguy]

PHANTOM,

Management wanted to do away with the test hop after a heavy visit some years ago. Their theory was to accomplish the test hop on the first leg of a revenue flight !!

That's pitiful when all you are paying for is a first officer (2 hours). Supervisory pilots are already "on the clock" and as far as I know, they are not paid additional for test hops. Test hops on revenue flights usually end up being more of a problem once they reach their destination.

 

[delldude]

The trouble with many unions, and we all can read a few perfect examples on these boards of a few, is the fact that those promoting unions are very poor PR people.

good point....sometimes a sense of them being out of touch with reality...shared with politicians,management types,and individuals at one time or another.

Unions are only as good as their officials and look at what they have in place, buffoons and morons.

i disagree here as to me the backbone of the union is the core membership....and to me it is the core membership that gives the union leadership its purpose,direction and support.much like a foundation in a building.....weak foundation=weak building...doomed to collapse at one time or another...

Unions are loathed for good reason, they are falling apart for good reason.

loathed for good reason??maybe lack of education to the working person on benefits and wages and working conditions of the average union family.it is proven that the living standards of family's of unionized workers are far superior to those of non-union family's.why then the divide?? lack of education of the working masses.
falling apart...like i said weak foundation....cause?? apathy towards unions,unions failing to come to grips with the ever changing workplace,unions somewhat falling on reliance of the old ways and days....
this is some of what i saw and continue to see in the workplace today.

 

[calibrator]

good point....sometimes a sense of them being out of touch with reality...shared with politicians,management types,and individuals at one time or another.

i disagree here as to me the backbone of the union is the core membership....and to me it is the core membership that gives the union leadership its purpose,direction and support.much like a foundation in a building.....weak foundation=weak building...doomed to collapse at one time or another...

loathed for good reason??maybe lack of education to the working person on benefits and wages and working conditions of the average union family.it is proven that the living standards of family's of unionized workers are far superior to those of non-union family's.why then the divide?? lack of education of the working masses.
falling apart...like i said weak foundation....cause?? apathy towards unions,unions failing to come to grips with the ever changing workplace,unions somewhat falling on reliance of the old ways and days....
this is some of what i saw and continue to see in the workplace today.

I am non union and hated by the union brethren to the point of being called scabs because we refuse to pay dues and be obedient, blindly obedient to an international that has accomplished, what, thousands upon thousands of layoffs to overseas workers? You’re in denial if you believe unions are relevant in this chapter in history.

Sorry, but that post is bullet proof from top to bottom and the "facts" to back it up are out there with anyone with eyes to see them, it's only a matter of opening your eye lids and engaging your brain.

 

[PITMTC]

Sorry, but that post is bullet proof from top to bottom and the "facts" to back it up are out there with anyone with eyes to see them, it's only a matter of opening your eye lids and engaging your brain.

I agree. As long as one argues without thinking about the reality of the issue, like some on here do, there will never be honest and fallacy limited debate.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I agree. As long as one argues without thinking about the reality of the issue, like some on here do, there will never be honest and fallacy limited debate.

Amen to that.........open the eyes and look at the big picture.

 

[delldude]

you guys make me laugh....its like a ying yang concept,one cannot continue without the others input.its that simple.
unions are weak because of lack of membership commitment.
union leadership is weak because of the above.
corporations are strong because of an explotation of this lack of commitment.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

you guys make me laugh....its like a ying yang concept,one cannot continue without the others input.its that simple.
unions are weak because of lack of membership commitment.
union leadership is weak because of the above.
corporations are strong because of an explotation of this lack of commitment.

Where's the committment to the members supposed to come from?? Union leadership?? Hmmmm.......not seeing much committment from either right now.