Insurgent Union Fails In Representation Bid

[Checking it Out]

Insurgent union fails in representation bid

Associated Press


TULSA, Okla. - A labor union's effort to replace the Transport Workers Union as representative of American Airlines' 18,000 mechanics has been rejected by a federal panel.

The National Mediation Board ruled Tuesday that the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association did not have enough support from mechanics to call for a union representation election.

The union needed more than 50 percent of eligible mechanics to sign cards authorizing a vote. The board found that 18,601 mechanics were eligible, but the union submitted just 9,274 cards - 27 short.

"Can you believe that?" said Dave Stewart, co-chair of the AMFA organizing committee in Tulsa. "There are 2,000-plus people that ended up being added to the eligibility list that we didn't know about and didn't solicit cards from because we didn't know they were even in our class and craft."

In its original application, AMFA listed only 16,014 eligible mechanics. The Transport Workers Union listed 18,400, while American listed 18,600. The mediation board finally decided on 18,601.

O.V. Delle-Femine, AMFA's national director, said the board's ruling is disappointing but it does not end the union's campaign to represent the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline's mechanics, including as many as 7,000 in Tulsa.

"We'll be back next year at the same time," Delle-Femine said. "Now that we know, we'll have the proper eligible employees at that time. We may have lost the battle, but we'll win the war."

James Little, director of the TWU's air transport division in Hurst, Texas, applauded the board's ruling.

"It means we can concentrate our union's resources on dealing with our employer and representing our members," Little said. "Those members who supported the other union brought up many valid concerns and real issues, and we invite them to join us now in seeking solutions."

AMFA has been organizing in Tulsa and other Transport Workers Union areas since the late 1980s, but pay and benefit concessions the sitting union approved last year to keep American in the air gave the efforts added momentum.

Word from the floor today is Amfa had the best oppurtunity and failed! Many of the organizers and card signers have come up and said they have seen what amfa is made of and it's not a pretty site!

 

[FWAAA]

"Can you believe that?" said Dave Stewart, co-chair of the AMFA organizing committee in Tulsa. "There are 2,000-plus people that ended up being added to the eligibility list that we didn't know about and didn't solicit cards from because we didn't know they were even in our class and craft."

[post="183058"][/post]​

Oh, man. This is too funny. I thought you made up the Stewart quote, but no, it's in the newspaper stories.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/b...ess/9730934.htm

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

James Little, director of the TWU's air transport division in Hurst, Texas, applauded the board's ruling.

"It means we can concentrate our union's resources on dealing with our employer and representing our members," Little said. "Those members who supported the other union brought up many valid concerns and real issues, and we invite them to join us now in seeking solutions."

AMFA has been organizing in Tulsa and other Transport Workers Union areas since the late 1980s, but pay and benefit concessions the sitting union approved last year to keep American in the air gave the efforts added momentum.

Word from the floor today is Amfa had the best oppurtunity and failed! Many of the organizers and card signers have come up and said they have seen what amfa is made of and it's not a pretty site!

With representation like the twu you would have to be a complete moron to join them in seeking solutions. They created this disaster of a contract and now that litte weasel little wants the support of the AMFA rank and file to "seek solutions"

Solutions to the #### he put us in by sighning off on the worst contract in the history of aviation. What an ARSE hole.

I will be looking forward to handing out the AMFA cards again and cant wait for the next card count. The twu will not represent me or negotiate for me in 2008. It will not happen I will double my efforts to get rid of this cancer AKA the twu

 

[Checking it Out]

NMB DENIES ELECTION ON AA

September 21, 2004

AFTER SIX MONTHS OF INVESTIGATIONS, THE NMB DECLARED THAT AMFA HAD INSUFFICIENT AUTHORIZATION CARDS FROM THE AA MECHANICS AND RELATED EMPLOYEES TO SUPPORT ITS APPLICATION FOR AN ELECTION.

AMFA MISSED THE ELECTION BY 27 CARDS PER THE NMB'S NUMBER OF 18,601 ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.

WE NOW HAVE THE TRUE ELIGIBILITY LISTS. THEY CAN NO LONGER DENY US AN ELECTION, BECAUSE WHEN WE FILE AGAIN NEXT YEAR WE WILL KNOW THE PROPER NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN OUR CRAFT.

THE NMB DID THE SAME THING TO US ON UAL, AND WE CAME BACK AND WON BY 60% OF THE VOTE.

WE PLAN TO MAIL TO THE AA MECHANICS AND RELATED TO START THE CAMPAIGN. WE ARE KEEPING THE TULSA OFFICE OPEN TO HELP COLLECT CARDS.

THIS IS NOT A VICTORY FOR AA OR THE TWU. WE WILL BE BACK WITH SUFFICIENT CARDS FOR AN ELECTION. WE THANK THE SUPPORTERS AND ASSOCIATE MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS HELP IN OUR QUEST TO HAVE OUR OWN UNION AT AA.

SINCERELY,
/S/ O.V. DELLE-FEMINE
NATIONAL DIRECTOR

All indications are these numbers amfa is using is another attempt at deception, Anyone following the events knows the number amfa is using is a blatant lie! Since the issue is dead and all the cards are invalid I propose Amfa to prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary. A good portion of the cards were duplications, management, retires and expired.

 

[twuer]

.............AND THAT'S THE WAY THE COOKIE CRUMBLES!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hackman]

NMB DENIES ELECTION ON AA

September 21, 2004

AFTER SIX MONTHS OF INVESTIGATIONS, THE NMB DECLARED THAT AMFA HAD INSUFFICIENT AUTHORIZATION CARDS FROM THE AA MECHANICS AND RELATED EMPLOYEES TO SUPPORT ITS APPLICATION FOR AN ELECTION.

AMFA MISSED THE ELECTION BY 27 CARDS PER THE NMB'S NUMBER OF 18,601 ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.

WE NOW HAVE THE TRUE ELIGIBILITY LISTS. THEY CAN NO LONGER DENY US AN ELECTION, BECAUSE WHEN WE FILE AGAIN NEXT YEAR WE WILL KNOW THE PROPER NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN OUR CRAFT.

THE NMB DID THE SAME THING TO US ON UAL, AND WE CAME BACK AND WON BY 60% OF THE VOTE.

WE PLAN TO MAIL TO THE AA MECHANICS AND RELATED TO START THE CAMPAIGN. WE ARE KEEPING THE TULSA OFFICE OPEN TO HELP COLLECT CARDS.

THIS IS NOT A VICTORY FOR AA OR THE TWU. WE WILL BE BACK WITH SUFFICIENT CARDS FOR AN ELECTION. WE THANK THE SUPPORTERS AND ASSOCIATE MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN A TREMENDOUS HELP IN OUR QUEST TO HAVE OUR OWN UNION AT AA.

SINCERELY,
/S/ O.V. DELLE-FEMINE
NATIONAL DIRECTOR

All indications are these numbers amfa is using is another attempt at deception, Anyone following the events knows the number amfa is using is a blatant lie! Since the issue is dead and all the cards are invalid I propose Amfa to prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary. A good portion of the cards were duplications, management, retires and expired.

[post="183119"][/post]​

Attempt at deception? Why? Because we had no dead people on the list? See you again real soon cio. The twu is scared of a vote because they will lose.

 

[Nightwatch]

Scared? Not so much scared as hesitant. Looking at what amfa has accomplished should scare us all.

 

[AMFAMAN]

All indications are these numbers amfa is using is another attempt at deception, Anyone following the events knows the number amfa is using is a blatant lie! Since the issue is dead and all the cards are invalid I propose Amfa to prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary. A good portion of the cards were duplications, management, retires and expired.

[post="183119"][/post]​

Like a good company man you are, you propose we give you the identity of those who signed, how about f-off loser. You will have to wait another year, at which time the NMB will be staring at the cards again and have no choice to grant us an election; aka...your ticket back to the floor.

BTW...The resign is already picking up many new signers, you will be gone.

 

[Bob Owens]

Oh, man. This is too funny. I thought you made up the Stewart quote, but no, it's in the newspaper stories.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/b...ess/9730934.htm

[post="183065"][/post]​

Well, the fact is that when the TWU filed for representation of the combined workgroups(TWA and AA) with the NMB they claimed that the total for the class and craft was around 16000. That was in 2001 when the company had over 100,000 employees. Now despite layoffs, retirements, terminations and resignations the TWU and the company claimed to the same NMB that accepted the original 16000 number that the number was now 2000 higher. And the NMB accepted that. Hmmm. And people wonder why so many American have no faith in their Institutions.


I'm sure that we should all still look upon the NMB as "impartial" especially since the McCain (S-1327)bill that the AFL-CIO lobbied hard against would have removed the airlines from the NMB and resulted in a huge cut back in that department. I'm sure that no favors were called in, that sort of stuff just does not happen, right?

So, we file next year, only we take a few thousand more with us. The fact is that any organization with the money could easily kick out the TWU at this point, despite all the hurdles that the NMB puts in the way. Most TWU members in any classification will sign ANY card that is put in front of them at this point, and for us, no matter what happens to the company, things are only going to get worse as our measly 1.5% raises and $25 quarterly bonuses lag behind inflation and increased medical costs. Why do you think the TWU is putting on the big dog and pony show about change? "Communication, communication, communication. The one local leader had it right :The TWU is broken". I only wish that we could take Stores with us too since we work more closely with them than anyone else.

 

[twuer]

Blah, blah............blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,,,,,,,,,blah, blah...........blah, blah, blah!!!!

YOU LOST BOB!!!!!!! WE DON'T WANT AMFA AT AA!!!! WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

All of your rants and raves...........opinions and charts have FAILED Bob!!! Amfa had their shot and they blew it. It is not the fault of the TWU or the NMB or AA...........it is amfa's fault. Heck, they can't even take responsibility for their losses.

Here's something to take with you on your way out Bob.........look for amfa to become a thing of the past. Their days are numbered, they have no influence, no foundation on which to stand, zero credibility, oh and don't forget, lousy folks running the sorry excuse for a union!! Mark my word Bob, amfa will be like dust in the wind.


Hey here's an idea. Why don't you and Dave and Dan the Man and whoever else you can round up, start your own union. Delle did it, it can't be that hard!!!! The TWU is going NOWHERE!!!!!

See ya' round the water cooler as they say!!!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

Blah, blah............blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,,,,,,,,,blah, blah...........blah, blah, blah!!!!

YOU LOST BOB!!!!!!! WE DON'T WANT AMFA AT AA!!!! WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND????

All of your rants and raves...........opinions and charts have FAILED Bob!!! Amfa had their shot and they blew it. It is not the fault of the TWU or the NMB or AA...........it is amfa's fault. Heck, they can't even take responsibility for their losses.

Here's something to take with you on your way out Bob.........look for amfa to become a thing of the past. Their days are numbered, they have no influence, no foundation on which to stand, zero credibility, oh and don't forget, lousy folks running the sorry excuse for a union!! Mark my word Bob, amfa will be like dust in the wind.
Hey here's an idea. Why don't you and Dave and Dan the Man and whoever else you can round up, start your own union. Delle did it, it can't be that hard!!!! The TWU is going NOWHERE!!!!!

See ya' round the water cooler as they say!!!!!!

[post="183523"][/post]​

Lost? No, unfortunately we are not going to get AMFA the easy way, now we have something that we never had before, a definite list. So all we have to do is get 27 more cards than last time,(less actually because of attrition) and the TWU will lose an even bigger part of their ATD. We have seen how well the TWU stands up against AMFA when the members are actually given the option to choose. We will see it again next year.

I hear there are some new developements in the lawsuit by the old 501 leaders. Seems that your boys are terrified of even facing a deposition! In past depositions, despite months of lead time, your guys still couldnt get their lies in order. They have repeatedly postponed their depositions and the Judge is no doubt getting annoyed. Well after the way Gless performed its no wonder!

 

[Decision 2004]

Yeah the TWU won!

They won the right not to have the membership vote to remove them from a AA property.

And in the TWU's mind, that is a huge victory.

Men and Women die fighting for the right to have elections in IRAQ, while the TWU claims victory at preventing an election here at home. Imagine that!

 

[Checking it Out]

I think you will find out, the TWU had the least amount of influence in the decision. Amfa failed again! They lost their best opportunity to have an election.

You wannabes were running around for the last 6 years claiming time and time again you had over 50%. When the nut cutting was done it was a proven fact you lied time and time again!

From all the information at hand Amfa will be unable to get the 8000 plus valid cards signed again!

I think your time will be better spent getting ready for the turbulence we will be facing in the future! Oh, Just remember Amfa is the one that is willing to sacrifice members to keep the leaders flowing in money. Doesn't make since to me!

Between the TWU and Amfa, Who has increased in membership the most over the last 10 years?

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

I guess if AMFA took in bartenders,casino dealers,and fishing reel makers like the EVIL TWU has,it would have a lot more members and a lot more dues money. Can any of you TWU :blink: dummies tell me what bartenders,casino dealers, and fishing reel makers have to do with the transportation industries?

 

[twuer]

Lost? No, unfortunately we are not going to get AMFA the easy way, now we have something that we never had before, a definite list. So all we have to do is get 27 more cards than last time,(less actually because of attrition) and the TWU will lose an even bigger part of their ATD. We have seen how well the TWU stands up against AMFA when the members are actually given the option to choose. We will see it again next year.

You actually believe that ficticious number of "27"??????????????? Do you really think that EVERY card that amfa turned in was was valid?????????????? Are you that ignorant to the fact that amfa is deceiving you??? Ever since this started it has been one lie after another from amfa. We will get your jobs back, we will win representation at AA, we have enough cards! And I could go on! Amfa is a business not a union. McCormick could care less whose job is sent overseas. And despite what you think or want you want to believe, he is the one running things. Delle couldn't handle it so he brought in outside help. And that Seham setup, give me a break. Did you happen to read the briefs they handed in to the the NMB?? Can you say "BROKEN RECORD"????????? I don't have a legal back ground but I could have done a better job then they did. And did you see the quote from the almighty Local 12 VP????? He doesn't even know who is and isn't in the craft and class. HMMMM??? What does that tell you?

There is no way that amfa will get near the cards they had. But you keep on believing that okay Bob. Amfa is not a threat!!