We need MORE of this!

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Few companies could operate at all without using at least some government (city, state, federal) assets. How much do you think it would cost to fly if airlines had to build and maintain the nations national airspace system (radars, navaids, ground communication sites, ATC towers, TRACON's, and ARTCC's, etc.)

How much money do you think the airlines feed the government every year? How many satellite companies providing goods and services to airlines pay taxes?
 
Are you telling me that the city of Tulsa or DFW are not MAKING money off the airport?
 
I think you need to consider all the cost (in taxes and government fees) airlines pay,  their suppliers pay,  and all the business that are found in airports then come back with that noise.
 

There are many other things government workers provide that you use every day while bitching that they are overpaid, should not have any retirement benefits (unless they are less than yours). But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good anti-everything narrative.

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said they should not have retirement benefits.
 
What I said was government retirement should be comparative to retirement in the private sector. This day and age that equals 401k. Asking someone to fund somebody else's retirement for the rest of their life (meaning the pensioner) when the private sector employee can't even afford to fund their own retirement is ridiculous.
 
I also stated that the government is bloated with waste and has no intent or motivation to control cost. They just raise taxes. Something the private sector can't do.
 

You are a shining example of what government can produce (a retrained laid off worker who is now a productive member of society, although I disagree with almost everything you believe).

What the government can produce?
 
You sound like Obama "You didn't build that".
 
Let's get something straight.... the government did not "produce me"
 
I went to school, I studied, I filled out applications, and I got the job.
 
I won't deny the government funded a very small portion of my school but to say they produced me is beyond a stretch. I got where I am today because I worked for it.
 
 
 
I would like to ask you what this has to do with the thread topic. 
 
Face facts...... In the location this law was passed about 80 percent of people collecting welfare would rather work (which is what they should have been doing all along) or relocate to mooch somewhere else rather than volunteer 3 days a month.
 
There is no way you can defend that so you are trying to change the topic.
 
This governor showed what a fraud the welfare system has been on the United States and you liberals can't stand it. 

 

[SparrowHawk]

Let me see if I have this right.
 
We declared a war on poverty and there are more poor people than ever before
We declared a war on drugs and now have more drugs flooding the streets
We declared a war on terrorists and now have more terrorists
 
And you tell me government is the answer?

 

[eolesen]

Let me see if I have this right.
 
We declared a war on poverty and there are more poor people than ever before
We declared a war on drugs and now have more drugs flooding the streets
We declared a war on terrorists and now have more terrorists
 
And you tell me government is the answer?

Don't forget the culture change brought on by two (or more) generations of government enabled single parent households...

 

[delldude]

Few companies could operate at all without using at least some government (city, state, federal) assets. How much do you think it would cost to fly if airlines had to build and maintain the nations national airspace system (radars, navaids, ground communication sites, ATC towers, TRACON's, and ARTCC's, etc.)

There are many other things government workers provide that you use every day while bitching that they are overpaid, should not have any retirement benefits (unless they are less than yours). But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good anti-everything narrative. You are a shining example of what government can produce (a retrained laid off worker who is now a productive member of society, although I disagree with almost everything you believe).

Since it is public service recognition week, this is for you:

"Since 1985, the first week of every May has been designated as Public Service Recognition Week, a time set aside to honor the women and men who serve our nation as government employees at the federal, state, county and local levels.

This year, I thought Id pay tribute to government workers by reflecting on what life would look like without them. Politicians of a certain brew, so to speak, no doubt would be crooning Here Comes the Sun at such a scenario. But in reality, without public workers on the job, wed all be having A Hard Days Night.

Why? Because without government workers, there would be

A military without weapons, vehicles, training or paychecks.

Classrooms full of students but no teachers.

Dilapidated roads, highways, coastlines and airways.

Polluted rivers, toxic air, contaminated water and pesticide-laden food.

Empty mailboxes and dramatically higher shipping costs for businesses and consumers.

Its easy for politicians to campaign against a government bureaucracy when theyre running for office. But when they get to Washington, or the state capital, or the local council, who do you think is running their offices, preparing their schedules, and helping them enact the laws and policies they support? Thats right its government workers.

As much as it hurts me to say it, the politicians themselves are government workers even the ones who spout such disdain for the institution.

When you think about it, government employees touch our lives each and every day, literally from the moment we are born to the day we die. They process your birth certificate, your drivers license, your marriage license, building permits for your new home, adoption papers for your new child, your will, and eventually your death certificate.

"Without our dedicated federal employees, there would be

No law enforcement officers to defend our borders, patrol our streets or lock up criminals.

No doctors or nurses to care for our veterans and wounded warriors.

No investigators, judges and other staff to enforce civil rights laws that protect against job-related discrimination.

No oversight of financial institutions, food and drug companies, utilities, elections, and workplaces.

No forecasts and warnings of impending storms and natural disasters, and no emergency workers to respond in their aftermath.

Even more impressive, the size of this federal workforce has shrunk over time when compared to the population being served. There was one federal employee for every 78 U.S. residents in 1953, compared to one employee for every 147 residents in 2009. Even in raw numbers, the size of the federal workforce is at its smallest level in 50 years."

https://www.afge.org/index.cfm?ContentID=4009

 
No reason they should be paid/compensated above private sector......look what we get for that.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
No reason they should be paid/compensated above private sector......look what we get for that.

Truth.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

No reason they should be paid/compensated above private sector......look what we get for that.

Here you go. The salary for guys who maintain the ILS that all the airplanes use to land at all airports, the radars used by ATC, the radios used for aircraft to talk to ATC, etc. are all maintained by these folks. Look at the salary compared to AMT'S. It is no wonder there is a slim list of people wilLing to apply and work for them. The retirement is less than most private sector now.

The general public has no clue as to what the federal sector actually makes in pc&b. Hint; it is not what the political talking points say.

Here you go:

http://www.americajobs.com/federal/airway-transportation-systems-specialist/1091805/

$35,704.00 to $53,555.00 / Per Year + locality

 

[777 fixer]

Here you go. The salary for guys who maintain the ILS that all the airplanes use to land at all airports, the radars used by ATC, the radios used for aircraft to talk to ATC, etc. are all maintained by these folks. Look at the salary compared to AMT'S. It is no wonder there is a slim list of people wilLing to apply and work for them. The retirement is less than most private sector now.

The general public has no clue as to what the federal sector actually makes in pc&b. Hint; it is not what the political talking points say.

Here you go:

http://www.americajobs.com/federal/airway-transportation-systems-specialist/1091805/

$35,704.00 to $53,555.00 / Per Year + locality

 
 
 
Filled out an application with the FAA three years ago.  One of the most painful experiences of my life.  After I was done I had no desire to work for them

 

[signals]

Perhaps you should familiarize your self with the concept of symbiosis. 
 
Are you all out of stupid or do you have more incoherent, nonsensical, ramblings left to give through what is laughably called a post?

Fool, that is the point of the conversation. You feed off of each other for a mutual benefit. Since you forgot where you came from, using gov benefits to help your psychotic point of view to benefit you, you assume that you are almighty and righteous to pass judgment on your lazy-perceived peers which makes YOU authorized to pass your all righteous judgment of hypocrites onto your peers! After all you are the bringer of truth.

BWAHAHAHA

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

After all you are the bringer of truth.

That's right.

 

[signals]

Social Security is crying poverty before its time. The US is caught between a Rock, a Hard Place, and a retiring population that boomed and left the no-kid generation an inheritance they can't live on.

Those hoping to retire on SSI alone are doomed. They retire at 62 and are penniless at 70. So much for SSI hopefuls.

I haven't researched it, but just from my observation...lazy welfare recipients live a full life with a life expectancy of about 55. They are prone to diabetes, cancer, etc., just based on their lifestyle.

So let them eat their cake.

 

[signals]

That's right.

You're a megalomaniac? You actually believe that you are the supreme authority? What if you're wrong? That means that you are brainwashed through your own ideology. You are one-sided and wear blinders when it comes to others opinion.

I have admitted that I was wrong in the past. Although I adhere to my ideology, if I am proven wrong, I will admit it.

Research is in the eye of the beholder, because anyone can prove their point. Although times are a changin', I know what I was taught in college and some LIFE experiences you can't find in books.

But I for one am glad to make your acquaintance Oh Mighty And All Knowing Almighty Super God...of fools.

 

[delldude]

Here you go. The salary for guys who maintain the ILS that all the airplanes use to land at all airports, the radars used by ATC, the radios used for aircraft to talk to ATC, etc. are all maintained by these folks. Look at the salary compared to AMT'S. It is no wonder there is a slim list of people wilLing to apply and work for them. The retirement is less than most private sector now.

The general public has no clue as to what the federal sector actually makes in pc&b. Hint; it is not what the political talking points say.

Here you go:

http://www.americajobs.com/federal/airway-transportation-systems-specialist/1091805/

$35,704.00 to $53,555.00 / Per Year + locality

 
You posted a broad heart touching vision of fed jobs and wages across the board. 
Looks like BS unless you go full monty above a Masters Degree. 
 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

You're a megalomaniac? You actually believe that you are the supreme authority?

I believe what I believe. Simple as that. The world is full of manipulative people that will try to influence and control you. You have to consider what is important to you and what you value and try to walk that path as best as you are able.  If you can't understand that I don't know what to tell you.
 

What if you're wrong?

What if I am wrong? 
 
You make a choice and you accept the consequences. Sometimes they are good, sometimes they are not.
 

That means that you are brainwashed through your own ideology

No brainwashed is allowing yourself to be controlled through peer pressure. Libtards call that "political correctness".
 

You are one-sided

That's right. MY SIDE.

and wear blinders when it comes to others opinion.

 I always listen to others opinions. That does not mean I have to agree with them.
 

I have admitted that I was wrong in the past. Although I adhere to my ideology, if I am proven wrong, I will admit it.

Everybody experiences that in their life. People are not static, they change over time and not always for the better.
 

Research is in the eye of the beholder, because anyone can prove their point. Although times are a changin', 

Most people prove their "point" by supplying "proof" to the mentally lazy. Most people will accept anything someone presents them as a fact without verifying it or questioning the source of the information.
 

I know what I was taught in college and some LIFE experiences you can't find in books.

The point of a book is to communicate a concept not life experience.
 

But I for one am glad to make your acquaintance 

I wish I could say the same. 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I believe what I believe.

What if I am wrong?
 

The point of a book is to communicate a concept not life experience.
 

Evidently, you have never heard of a biography or autobiography. Your ignorance is on full display here.