Remember also, that if you continue to need to work and that work is considered by either union, the IAM or the IBT, to be within that same industry: both unions, the IAM and the IBT, can refuse to pay you any pension they control.
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Remember also, that if you continue to need to work and that work is considered by either union, the IAM or the IBT, to be within that same industry: both unions, the IAM and the IBT, can refuse to pay you any pension they control.
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I posted this video last year, and due to the conversation surrounding pension plans, and the teamsters in particular I thought I'd post it again.
The man speaking is Fred Gegare, he ran against Hoffa in the last ibt general election. He is speaking on how the teamsters cut a deal with UPS to let them out of the Central States Pension fund which essentially crippled it.
As he says...." if they can do it to me, they can do it to you."
Word to the wise ..... just say "NO"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPltt__fn68
The man speaking is Fred Gegare, he ran against Hoffa in the last ibt general election. He is speaking on how the teamsters cut a deal with UPS to let them out of the Central States Pension fund which essentially crippled it.
As he says...." if they can do it to me, they can do it to you."
Word to the wise ..... just say "NO"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPltt__fn68
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Teamsters are getting really desperate. Another mail out and I hear from fellow employees that they are coming back knocking on the same doors of non signers.
These guys are more persistent than Jehovah's Witness
I think the teamsters know they are defeated. They are short on cards. My guess several thousand since they do not know exactly how many they really need for a successful filing.
These guys are more persistent than Jehovah's Witness
I think the teamsters know they are defeated. They are short on cards. My guess several thousand since they do not know exactly how many they really need for a successful filing.
And you thought the TWU was overpaid, Check this Out!
Another great update fron the TDU.org Teamsters for a Democratic Union
https://tdu.org/sites/default/files/120K%20Club%20-%202012_3.pdf
Another great update fron the TDU.org Teamsters for a Democratic Union
https://tdu.org/sites/default/files/120K%20Club%20-%202012_3.pdf
Well, as you have headtowards their staffing levels, have you been headed towards their pay? Or, as in our case have you staffing levels and pay both been headed down in real terms?
If your staffing levels are going down your compensation should be approaching SWA right?
In other words you had say 20 guys per plane and were earning $35/hr and WN was earning $40 with just 2.5 guys per plane, now they are earning $45 with 2.75 guys per plane and you have what, 10 guys per plane? and are earning just $33. Well since your pay went down shouldnt your ratio have gone up to 30 guys per plane? Your pay went down and so did your ratio.
So the IAM lied to you, they gave away jobs and pay.
Jobs for concessions is a lie, they cant just outsource the work any more, the people that do that work are having trouble getting people and have their hands full with what they have.They may be able to slip in a few extra here and there but this isnt 2002. There isnt a huge suplus of A&P mechanics anymore, half the A&P schools in the country have dissapeared over the last ten years and the number of people getting their A&Ps has seen a considerable decline.
Enough with the excuses, when US had 20 guys per plane they paid those 20 guys more than SWA paid their 2.5. Delta, UAL and Fed Ex are all bringing work back in house, seems that between reliability and quality they are seeing the savings they expected.
Just for accuracy, we have never had less than 3 mechs per a/c and have stayed between 3-4.
We added the language in our contract that would prevent the company from dropping that number ever to below 2.75 per a/c.
We are at about 3.2 and adding mechanics now while keeping the fleet flat with aircraft additions and retirements simultaneously.
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My point was we will Never get SWA wages. The numbers don't work. Going through two bankruptcies at US have really hurt our wages and its taken a few years to start making money again. There were no snap backs. With any Airline and the ups and downs of the Industry employees gains and losses go with the times. It is now the time to get paid accordingly. As we move towards the #1 Carrier we should move towards the at or above wage rates of Delta and United. We won't get more than that unless the new American starts making a boatload of cash. The big three are transitioning to about 10 Mechanics per A/C. So the wage rates will still be below SWA.
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Last BK 2005. Transition Agreement 2008. Our next and last 3% raise is in July and we are now in the final stages of a New CBA. Mediated talks are now taking place in Wash D.C. over final financial issues. Doug had been negotiating with the IAM as a #5 Carrier. Now with the Merger announcement they have no choice but to consider us with Delta and United. I think they are both around $38-$39 all in right now.
What is the all in rate for US and AA??
Does AA get a discount on landing fees?
How about fuel?
The fact is that just because AA does not make profits like SWA that does not mean they deserve a discount on labor.
Never get SWa wages? We used to make more.
UPS gets $54/hr, with the same exact license we have.
Stop selling our profession short.
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Around $35. So if we both are getting a 3-4.3% by July Merger,a 10% bump is not out of the realm of a new base rate to start with a transition and new CBA that tops into the low 40's all in within a few years.
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I would like to see everyone get the most money possible while keeping as many people employed as possible . Steady employment with a financially stable company. Most of US problems were that we were a medium sized short haul carrier with a high cost structure. Our Pilots were getting paid Large Carrier rates with minimum flying time on top of the costliest pension plan to support. It broke not once but twice. I'm hoping this Merger creates a money making machine that will spill over into the employees wallets and through to retirement.
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Copied from a Frontier Web site.
Frontier Airlines Mechanics Select the International Brotherhood of Teamsters for Representation
DENVER (July 27, 2001) - The mechanics of Frontier Airlines (Nasdaq: FRNT ) voted today to be represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) with 61 percent of the ballots cast voting for unionization. Of the 233 Frontier mechanics eligible to vote, 142 voted for representation, with 134 voting for the IBT and eight voting for other representation. A total of 117 (50 percent + 1) votes were needed to organize.
"Our maintenance employees are the best in the industry and we respect their decision to unionize. We will continue to work closely with this group of employees, as well as all Frontier employees, to ensure that Frontier remains focused on building a successful company that provides a strong career path for employees, legendary customer service to its passengers and profitable returns to its shareholders," said Frontier President Sam Addoms.
Frontier Airlines to lay off hundreds of workers nationwide
Spokesperson says company will outsource 700 jobs nationwide
Published On: Feb 05 2013 10:48:52 PM EST Updated On: Feb 06 2013 06
28 AM EST
Look it up, do your own research.... on this.......
So with that said,
The Teamsters have said that they will bring back jobs to United, they have NOT, we will open contract they did not. They say we don't contract work out we have the companies bring back work.
Now we see that the Teamsters are just like the other unions in the airline industry. They said AMFA wrecked the lives of the NWA employees, but now we see that they have given up concessions with Hostess, as well as crossed the picket line, of the fellow bakers union employees. Now at Frontier airlines, the Teamsters will let company outsource many of their represented employees at Frontier.
just How much of what the Teamsters have said during the organizing campaign here at AA can you believe.
NOT Much from all the info on this thread.
We the AMFA organizer are close with the number of required cards to get rid of the TWU.
Tell the IBT your not interested in any more of their lies, ITs time to sign an AMFA Card and lets rid AA of the TWU in 2013...
Frontier Airlines Mechanics Select the International Brotherhood of Teamsters for Representation
DENVER (July 27, 2001) - The mechanics of Frontier Airlines (Nasdaq: FRNT ) voted today to be represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) with 61 percent of the ballots cast voting for unionization. Of the 233 Frontier mechanics eligible to vote, 142 voted for representation, with 134 voting for the IBT and eight voting for other representation. A total of 117 (50 percent + 1) votes were needed to organize.
"Our maintenance employees are the best in the industry and we respect their decision to unionize. We will continue to work closely with this group of employees, as well as all Frontier employees, to ensure that Frontier remains focused on building a successful company that provides a strong career path for employees, legendary customer service to its passengers and profitable returns to its shareholders," said Frontier President Sam Addoms.
Frontier Airlines to lay off hundreds of workers nationwide
Spokesperson says company will outsource 700 jobs nationwide
Published On: Feb 05 2013 10:48:52 PM EST Updated On: Feb 06 2013 06
28 AM EST Look it up, do your own research.... on this.......
So with that said,
The Teamsters have said that they will bring back jobs to United, they have NOT, we will open contract they did not. They say we don't contract work out we have the companies bring back work.
Now we see that the Teamsters are just like the other unions in the airline industry. They said AMFA wrecked the lives of the NWA employees, but now we see that they have given up concessions with Hostess, as well as crossed the picket line, of the fellow bakers union employees. Now at Frontier airlines, the Teamsters will let company outsource many of their represented employees at Frontier.
just How much of what the Teamsters have said during the organizing campaign here at AA can you believe.
NOT Much from all the info on this thread.
We the AMFA organizer are close with the number of required cards to get rid of the TWU.
Tell the IBT your not interested in any more of their lies, ITs time to sign an AMFA Card and lets rid AA of the TWU in 2013...
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Bargaining Opens for Chicago UPS Contract
February 26, 2013: Teamsters Local 705, which represents some 9,000 UPS Teamsters in the Chicagoland area, has opened bargaining with UPS. Local 705 has a separate contract, and is not part of the national UPS agreement being negotiated.
The powerful Chicago local has a bargaining committee led by secretary treasurer Juan Campos and other officers, and includes a number of rank and file stewards and two retirees as well.
This was copied from the IBT/TDU web page.
My question again to all of you who think the IBT is the way to go.
Why are these Teamsters NOT affiliated with the rest of the UPS IBT represented employees?
The IBT workers in the ATD for UPS have their own Local as well local 2727.
The UAL/CAL guys are lumped in with the butcher/baker/candlestick makers/truckers. We here in Miami would be stuck with local 769, a local with no ATD members. It does have a BIZ agent for UAL/CAL but he does not keep the united airline guys informed as to whats going on from what I have been told. During a IBT organizing meeting last Sept. here in Miami the local Pres. M. Scott said "he represented all IBT members in Florida", he did not even remember he did not represent the UPS airline mechanics, he also did not know who represents the workers who have to deal with the NMB and RLA. He said "it was T. Gonsalez but when you go to the Locals web page and look its a person Named Daisy whose office is in Orlando.
The United guys in Calf. are part of two seperate Locals as well. One in LA and the other in SFO.
You can be working in SFO for UAL on the same crew/shift/dock what ever but be attached to different locals.
You can attend local meeting but only vote on issues in the local you are attached.
With all the negative stuff that can be found on the internet about how the IBT works and whats happening at other airlines, as well as UPS WHY are you even thinking about signing a card with the IBT?
February 26, 2013: Teamsters Local 705, which represents some 9,000 UPS Teamsters in the Chicagoland area, has opened bargaining with UPS. Local 705 has a separate contract, and is not part of the national UPS agreement being negotiated.
The powerful Chicago local has a bargaining committee led by secretary treasurer Juan Campos and other officers, and includes a number of rank and file stewards and two retirees as well.
This was copied from the IBT/TDU web page.
My question again to all of you who think the IBT is the way to go.
Why are these Teamsters NOT affiliated with the rest of the UPS IBT represented employees?
The IBT workers in the ATD for UPS have their own Local as well local 2727.
The UAL/CAL guys are lumped in with the butcher/baker/candlestick makers/truckers. We here in Miami would be stuck with local 769, a local with no ATD members. It does have a BIZ agent for UAL/CAL but he does not keep the united airline guys informed as to whats going on from what I have been told. During a IBT organizing meeting last Sept. here in Miami the local Pres. M. Scott said "he represented all IBT members in Florida", he did not even remember he did not represent the UPS airline mechanics, he also did not know who represents the workers who have to deal with the NMB and RLA. He said "it was T. Gonsalez but when you go to the Locals web page and look its a person Named Daisy whose office is in Orlando.
The United guys in Calf. are part of two seperate Locals as well. One in LA and the other in SFO.
You can be working in SFO for UAL on the same crew/shift/dock what ever but be attached to different locals.
You can attend local meeting but only vote on issues in the local you are attached.
With all the negative stuff that can be found on the internet about how the IBT works and whats happening at other airlines, as well as UPS WHY are you even thinking about signing a card with the IBT?
AMFA AT AA IN 2013
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Concessions at UPS
Our International Union negotiated the UPS contract—telling members that early talks were needed to protect members’ benefits. In reality, chief negotiators Jim Hoffa and Ken Hall had a different goal in mind: trading away the historic gains of the 1997 UPS strike in exchange for the right to organize UPS Freight.
Hoffa and Hall negotiated a deal that let the company take 44,000 Teamsters in 25 states out of the Central States Pension Fund. That concession saved the company billions by sticking those Teamsters with a pension that will be far below Teamster plans by the end of the contract.
Hoffa and Hall also gave away the contract language that requires the company to eliminate low-wage part-time jobs and create full-time jobs in their place.
In exchange for these and other givebacks, UPS agreed to allow unionization of UPS Freight. That’s a positive gain. But working Teamsters even got the short end of this deal. Our union agreed to put UPS Freight under a substandard contract that undermines our National Master Freight Agreement.
Through UPS Freight, UPS is now in position to take work from Teamster freight carriers.
The IBT Freight Division wasn’t happy with splitting the pension fund, or with giving UPS Freight a sub-par contract. Their concerns were brushed aside.
This INFO was copied from the IBT's TDU web page..
Our International Union negotiated the UPS contract—telling members that early talks were needed to protect members’ benefits. In reality, chief negotiators Jim Hoffa and Ken Hall had a different goal in mind: trading away the historic gains of the 1997 UPS strike in exchange for the right to organize UPS Freight.
Hoffa and Hall negotiated a deal that let the company take 44,000 Teamsters in 25 states out of the Central States Pension Fund. That concession saved the company billions by sticking those Teamsters with a pension that will be far below Teamster plans by the end of the contract.
Hoffa and Hall also gave away the contract language that requires the company to eliminate low-wage part-time jobs and create full-time jobs in their place.
In exchange for these and other givebacks, UPS agreed to allow unionization of UPS Freight. That’s a positive gain. But working Teamsters even got the short end of this deal. Our union agreed to put UPS Freight under a substandard contract that undermines our National Master Freight Agreement.
Through UPS Freight, UPS is now in position to take work from Teamster freight carriers.
The IBT Freight Division wasn’t happy with splitting the pension fund, or with giving UPS Freight a sub-par contract. Their concerns were brushed aside.
This INFO was copied from the IBT's TDU web page..
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