14% Reduction Of Domestic Service

[Hope777]

Looks like another Happy Holiday for more Airline Employees.......

Several Hundred MORE to lose Jobs.


http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041210/united_flights_1.html

 

[GuppyPup]

Looks like another Happy Holiday for more Airline Employees.......

Several Hundred MORE to lose Jobs.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041210/united_flights_1.html

[post="227884"][/post]​

And several hundred more, to gain jobs,....at the UAX carriers.
🙁

 

[markkus757]

Is there a list of the effected markets???

 

[jimntx]

Is there a list of the effected markets???

[post="227914"][/post]​

Probably won't come out until the last minute. I imagine UAL is already selling business traveler tickets for January. Wouldn't want them to know now that come January they are going to be flying ORD-IAH in a lawn dart instead of a full-size jet. Same airports, same flight numbers, just a "change of equipment."

(P.S., No, I do not know that IAH is being "expressed." I'm just using that as an example of a flight that is a little long to endure in an RJ. IMHO 😛 )

 

[The Gopher]

(P.S., No, I do not know that IAH is being "expressed." I'm just using that as an example of a flight that is a little long to endure in an RJ. IMHO 😛 )

[post="227924"][/post]​

The E170 is equal to or superior to a mainline customer experience, this is according to customer surveys of the new aircraft. Also the E170 is NOT a regional jet, according to Embraer. It has the range of a 737, two flight attendants, first class cabin, and full-size overhead bins. To call it a "lawn dart" is a gross misunderstanding of the product. We'll have 50+ of those E170s by summer 2005.

 

[jimntx]

The E170 is equal to or superior to a mainline customer experience, this is according to customer surveys of the new aircraft. Also the E170 is NOT a regional jet, according to Embraer. It has the range of a 737, two flight attendants, first class cabin, and full-size overhead bins. To call it a "lawn dart" is a gross misunderstanding of the product. We'll have 50+ of those E170s by summer 2005.

[post="228099"][/post]​

Unless it is totally different from other Embraer products, along with all that comfort and full-sized overhead bins will come frequent delays/cancellations due to mechanical problems. Go back and re-do those customer satisfaction surveys after a bunch of people have missed their connections in ORD to Europe or the Orient because of mechanical delays.

Besides, can 50 of them take up the slack of a 14% cut in United domestic mainline service? Somebody's going to be riding in a lawn dart.

 

[NAPAUS]

Unless it is totally different from other Embraer products, along with all that comfort and full-sized overhead bins will come frequent delays/cancellations due to mechanical problems. Go back and re-do those customer satisfaction surveys after a bunch of people have missed their connections in ORD to Europe or the Orient because of mechanical delays.

Besides, can 50 of them take up the slack of a 14% cut in United domestic mainline service? Somebody's going to be riding in a lawn dart.

[post="228121"][/post]​

<_< Actually, flownas a pax on it often and very comfortable. Not like other emb a/c, howver- major problem with baggage in belly. Often can not accomodate many bags of pax connecting int'l. Thats where the real problem is. As far as cxl's and mechanicals, well all new a/c have that problem. Remember, if u will, the intro of 767, A320, 777...lots of problems in the beginning. Have to work out the kinks...And its not like flying the Canadair ...now THEY are lawn darts, and scare the hell out of ya in bad turblulence.

 

[jimntx]

As far as cxl's and mechanicals, well all new a/c have that problem. Have to work out the kinks...

[post="228159"][/post]​

I was not referring to the fact that the E-170 is a new a/c. I was referring to the fact that the Embraers are unreliable mechanically--all of them, old and new. Look at the daily schedule for AE, CoEx, or any other that uses EMB products extensively. You will see cancellations due to mechanical every day in a much greater proportion of total fleet that other types of a/c.

I know some AE flight attendants that will not fly on any EMB a/c in the fleet.

 

[UALDC767]

Besides, can 50 of them take up the slack of a 14% cut in United domestic mainline service? Somebody's going to be riding in a lawn dart.

[post="228121"][/post]​

Jim,

Its not a matter of 14% of the flights being cut but 14% of the seats. And recall that large a portion of the seat cut is coming from the retirement of the 767-200 in the JFK transcon markets. To be replaced by the new 757 PS service. Fewer seats over a long distance equals a big drop in ASM's.

While they have stated which markets are going to see some service transitioned to Express (and some service converted all together) those of us on the line have not seen any particulars on which flights and how many.

DC

 

[flythewing]

From Chicago, mainline frequencies will be reduced
to Baltimore, Denver, Los Angeles, Manchester,
Oakland, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle, Sacramento
and San Jose, Calif. United Express will replace
select mainline frequencies with regional jet
equipment to Atlanta, Buffalo, Cincinnati,
Cleveland, Des Moines, Detroit, Indianapolis and
Omaha. Additionally, United Express Embraer 170
regional jets will replace both mainline roundtrips
in the Chicago-Albuquerque market.

 

[jimntx]

It will be interesting to see what happens in the ORD-ABQ market since AA flies a non-stop mainline jet in that market also. And, according to Orbitz you can save $40 by changing planes in Phoenix on AWA.

I can't say that E-170 is not a nice airplane for customers as far as comfort. However, Embraer has a history of producing "break" prone airplanes. And, you know and I know that passengers "know" that we created that mechanical delay just to inconvenience them personally. :huh:

 

[Light Years]

I would rather fly on an E170 than an Airbus or Boeing narrowbody any day, especially in US's extra legroom configuration. They are spacious and comfortable. At US, the customer response has been overwhelmingly positive to the point that customers are booking towards it and away from 737s on routes they share (PHL-DFW, PHL-IAH).

As far as mechanicals, it seems pretty much on par with when the Airbus family first came. One pilot was saying that even the trusty old DC9 was a drama queen when it was first introduced. Any time an airline gets a new airplane, particularly if they are the launch customer, there's going to be some teething problems initially. When you consider that US MDA division started in April with a brand new airplane no else one has and is now flying 22 of them on agressive schedules, you have to give the plane alot of credit.

 

[jimntx]

Everyone keeps repeating the "it's a new a/c" mantra. "It will have problems at first." True, but my point is still that down the road AFTER the kinks should be worked out, Embraer products have more than their share of mechanical difficulties. I've seen nothing to indicate that EMB has worked out that little problem with the new a/c.