A Good Trade-Off

[SparrowHawk]

What other companies were in Cheney's pocket?

I never really researched the connection between Halliburton and Cheney.

It was either Bush I or Reagan that has 3 Cabinet members who were former executives with Bechtel Corp. and I don't recall the near non stop drum beat.

Here is a snippet of what I found on Bechtel.

William Casey, who served in three Republican administrations (Chairman of the Security and Exchange Commission under Nixon, as head of the Export-Import Bank under Ford, and as campaign manager and head of the CIA under Reagan) served as a consultant for Bechtel.31

Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense in the Reagan Administration, was Bechtel's general counsel and served on the company's board from 1975 to 1981.

George Shultz, Bechtel board member and senior counsel. Between serving as Nixon's Secretary of Treasury and Reagan's Secretary of State, he spent eight years as Bechtel's president and director. He returned to Bechtel after his term as Secretary of State ended. Shultz also served a stint (appointed Winter 2002) on the Defense Policy Board, an elite group that advises Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on matters including the war against
Iraq.

Halliburton is not even close to alone. The biggest single contract they were awarded was 680 million which while significant pales compared to nearly 17 Billion in Annual Sales. So to say they had billions in profits from the war is just not true. Did they engage in crony capitalism? YES they did. But I've never been able to find a more plugged in company than Bechtel. At least on the Republican side.

Now for the Campaign contributions to Barack Obama in 2008

University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295

Any Wonder TARP went through? Seeing a picture starting to be painted. 388 Million in Contributions get you 700 BILLION in bailout and people are upset about Halliburton?

 

[delldude]

What other companies were in Cheney's pocket?

What other companies that were in Cheney's pocket got no bids?

Siga Tech?

Checci & Co?

KBR former Halliburton Subsidiary?

Oh, its ok for Obama but not Bush/Cheney.....

Wish I could lay around licking my biutt all day, Dog.

 

[Dog Wonder]

You want to make getting out of Iraq an opportunity to spin.

This country went there on lies. It stayed there on unrealistic expectations.

It got out (as much as it could based on the idiotic previous actions) after far too many people who loved their country died.

What do you hope to gain?

 

[SparrowHawk]

You want to make getting out of Iraq an opportunity to spin.

This country went there on lies. It stayed there on unrealistic expectations.

It got out (as much as it could based on the idiotic previous actions) after far too many people who loved their country died.

What do you hope to gain?

Read Dr Paul's observations and I think you'll have your answers

 

[delldude]

You want to make getting out of Iraq an opportunity to spin.

This country went there on lies. It stayed there on unrealistic expectations.

It got out (as much as it could based on the idiotic previous actions) after far too many people who loved their country died.

What do you hope to gain?

Who lied? All of both houses and NATO who agreed on the estimates?

Obama's spin is collapsing as we speak....even his Generals said it was a bad move.

C'mon Dog....where these other companies Cheney took bids from?

Put up or quit barking at the moon.

Unemployment going back up Dog.....

 

[tom barry]

Build a mouse trap and someone will build a better mouse. Ask the British about the HMS Sheffield. Pretty much any time you have an advanced security measure someone will develop a cheap easy way to defeat it.

How is that offense working in Iraq? How did it work in Viet Nam? Unless you are advocating the decimation of an an entire country, civilians and all, you can have any offense you want and the result will be the same.

Let me expand upon (even more clearly) what I'm advocating Ms Tree. (And believe me, "this" is pretty STRONG coming from me.) Lets say Iran was responsible for releasing Smallpox in the NYC subway system. After positively ID-ing Iran for the act, notify via the Internet/facebook etc. the people in Tehran that they've got 24 hrs. NOT to be there, then LEVEL (Nagasaki style) the whole friggin' City, via the BIG one !
(Yes that would include collateral damage) After something like that, I doubt there would be any other foolish moves again, by Anyone Including Russia/China.
I believe you would also see the people in ANY country with a NASTY government put a Huge Egypt style/Arab spring on said government, so as NOT to test the resolve of the US.
I seem to remember that " IT " worked very well with Japan.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Read Dr Paul's observations and I think you'll have your answers

The solution to all of liife's problems.

 

[delldude]

Let me expand upon (even more clearly) what I'm advocating Ms Tree. (And believe me, "this" is pretty STRONG coming from me.) Lets say Iran was responsible for releasing Smallpox in the NYC subway system. After positively ID-ing Iran for the act, notify via the Internet/facebook etc. the people in Tehran that they've got 24 hrs. NOT to be there, then LEVEL (Nagasaki style) the whole friggin' City, via the BIG one !
(Yes that would include collateral damage) After something like that, I doubt there would be any other foolish moves again, by Anyone Including Russia/China.
I believe you would also see the people in ANY country with a NASTY government put a Huge Egypt style/Arab spring on said government, so as NOT to test the resolve of the US.
I seem to remember that " IT " worked very well with Japan.

You forgot one little item......

An attack on Iran is an attack on Mother Russia and China.

 

[Ms Tree]

I never really researched the connection between Halliburton and Cheney.

It was either Bush I or Reagan that has 3 Cabinet members who were former executives with Bechtel Corp. and I don't recall the near non stop drum beat.



Halliburton is not even close to alone. The biggest single contract they were awarded was 680 million which while significant pales compared to nearly 17 Billion in Annual Sales. So to say they had billions in profits from the war is just not true. Did they engage in crony capitalism? YES they did. But I've never been able to find a more plugged in company than Bechtel. At least on the Republican side.

What you seem to be avoiding yet again is the fact that there are 143 companies under the Halliburton umbrella of which only 40 or so are incorporated in the US. The true numbers will never really be known but given Halliburton world wide reach I find the $2 billion a year highly doubtful. So again I'll ask, did the information you found cover all of Halliburton or just Halliburton it's self?

As for Bechtel, how many soldiers died in a war where Bechtel was a contractor? How much money was involved in that war?

 

[Ms Tree]

Let me expand upon (even more clearly) what I'm advocating Ms Tree. (And believe me, "this" is pretty STRONG coming from me.) Lets say Iran was responsible for releasing Smallpox in the NYC subway system. After positively ID-ing Iran for the act, notify via the Internet/facebook etc. the people in Tehran that they've got 24 hrs. NOT to be there, then LEVEL (Nagasaki style) the whole friggin' City, via the BIG one !
(Yes that would include collateral damage) After something like that, I doubt there would be any other foolish moves again, by Anyone Including Russia/China.
I believe you would also see the people in ANY country with a NASTY government put a Huge Egypt style/Arab spring on said government, so as NOT to test the resolve of the US.
I seem to remember that " IT " worked very well with Japan.

Do you really think there will be a president who will be willing to take out an entire city in that manner? Do you think the rest of the world would support such and action?

 

[SparrowHawk]

What you seem to be avoiding yet again is the fact that there are 143 companies under the Halliburton umbrella of which only 40 or so are incorporated in the US. The true numbers will never really be known but given Halliburton world wide reach I find the $2 billion a year highly doubtful. So again I'll ask, did the information you found cover all of Halliburton or just Halliburton it's self?

As for Bechtel, how many soldiers died in a war where Bechtel was a contractor? How much money was involved in that war?

Last first. Bechtel is in Iraq as you read this post. Have been since 2003 at least. Halliburton rebuilt the oil fields and Bechtel is still working on the infrastructure like water plants and such. So the number of deaths are the same.

It's not what you think, it's what you can prove. I went to Halliburton's web site and reviewed 10 years of annual reports which under SEC rules include the subsidiaries you mentioned. I even went to a few far left web sites to get their take on the amount of money involved. Despite assertions of Halliburton being the Bogeyman there is the simple fact that the level of dollars involved compared to total annual Sales just don't support the assertions.

Was their Crony Capitalism? Of Course! No worse than Solyndra and Obama's connection to Goldman Sachs. Same church, different pew,

 

[delldude]

What you seem to be avoiding yet again is the fact that there are 143 companies under the Halliburton umbrella of which only 40 or so are incorporated in the US. The true numbers will never really be known but given Halliburton world wide reach I find the $2 billion a year highly doubtful. So again I'll ask, did the information you found cover all of Halliburton or just Halliburton it's self?

As for Bechtel, how many soldiers died in a war where Bechtel was a contractor? How much money was involved in that war?

Duh...Bechtel had been receiving no bid contracts for all kinds rebuilding in Iraq.

There's a bunch of cash being made by a lot of large companies.

My link

My link 2

 

[Ms Tree]

I was not aware Thatbechtel was in Iraq as well although I must admit I did not even look.

As far as I am aware the SEC filings only pertain to corporations incorporated in the US of which a majority are not but Ill have to double check that.

As for the declared reason of the US leaving Iraq I could have sworn that was one of the promises that Obama made while campaigning. Bush had only received and agreement from Iraq through 2011 and since Obama had no interest in keeping troops in Iraq to begin with he never made an effort to stay. To argue that Iraq kicked out the US is foolish. We were never invited in and if we wanted to stay we would still be there.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I was not aware Thatbechtel was in Iraq as well although I must admit I did not even look.

As far as I am aware the SEC filings only pertain to corporations incorporated in the US of which a majority are not but Ill have to double check that.

As for the declared reason of the US leaving Iraq I could have sworn that was one of the promises that Obama made while campaigning. Bush had only received and agreement from Iraq through 2011 and since Obama had no interest in keeping troops in Iraq to begin with he never made an effort to stay. To argue that Iraq kicked out the US is foolish. We were never invited in and if we wanted to stay we would still be there.

Here's the empty suit during his run for POTUS discussing his 16 month timetable.



Liar, Liar pants on fire. Once again Ron Paul was right about the withdrawal.

Yes we left at the end of the agreement and IIRC we did try to extend it. Seems I do remember correctly.

Biden’s Iraq Visit to Focus on Extending War Beyond 2011
Will Maliki's Calls for End to US Military Presence Extend to Talks?
by Jason Ditz, January 12, 2011


Fresh off a contentious visit to Pakistan, Vice President Joe Biden has arrived in Iraq on the latest unannounced visit of his tour with an eye towards serious talks about the continuation of the US war beyond the December deadline specified in the Status of Forces Agreement.

Iraqi officials have confirmed that Biden’s talks will center around the possibility of keeping American troops in the nation in 2012 and beyond, with meetings planned with President Talabani, Prime Minister Maliki and Kurdish President Barzani.

MORE of the story

OOPS!! Another Obama lie shot square in the arse. Note the article is NOT from Fox it's from the Left. It's always so much fun skewering the Parasite Political Class with the words of their supporters. It's why I read Huff Post among others

 

[Dog Wonder]

It's always so much fun skewering the Parasite Political Class with the words of their supporters.

The only thing I smell is pompous ass turning on a spit.