AA 777 loses 2L door at DFW in bizzare incident

[The Goose]

Ok,,,that explains it...parking brake failed...And problem recognized quite quickly.

Hence..........NO CHOCKS!

Human error!

I recall when SOP was the aircraft is chocked at all times except when it was SUPPOSED to be moving. Helluva way to "save" money.

 

[Mach85ER]

Thanks Ralph,

What you posted is pretty much what I guessed. I used the word " pressed" to generally mean a court order. I doubt that it would be a tough thing for them to obtain should they decide a poster was a big enough thorn in their side. Using the security "card" would be one way 90% of the time. Could work the same with a accusation of slander/libel.

Your rules should be duly noted. One other problem I see is with the advent of cellphone cameras. Buried in the AA employee regs is a clause regarding electronic recording including pictures, Especially if other employees faces are visible. I'm sure they have better things to do, but someone will be made an example if they are irritated enough with public disclosure.

There is a rule for pilots regarding off duty uniform use. When one did a TV interview as a union member in uniform, that rule was used to go after the pilot after he touched a nerve with AA.

thanks again

 

[upsilon]

Ralph, my "surprise" was not that the AA memo itself was not posted but that the Dallas Morning News column that appeared on June 21st had not been posted on this thread when it had been on other Aviation forums for several days.

It appeared too me there was much conjecture here about the event that had been answered in the AA memo, which obviously was no longer "confidential".

 

[jetmechjer]

jetmechjer,

Since this is a public internet board, the uniformed might think your screename might actually reflect some knowledge on your part of aircraft systems. unfortunately, you have demonstrated a near total ignorance of aircraft maintenance issues and a lack of common sense in slandering the AA pilots involved in this door incident before all of the facts are known.

With your attitude and knowledge, it would seem likely that you might be a chubby 12 year old kid full of keyboard courage. Since we have a quandry regarding your credentials, if you are a AA mechanic, it should be very easy to answer a few questions:



Please clarify: Are there 12 separate and independant hydraulic lines that with one or more line failures or leaks, the remaining brakes would stay pressurized, or would they all depressurize with a leak?

You mentioned 3 hydraulic systems. Which ones provide brake pressure?



Interesting. I might lean towards slamming the pilots if I haven't had a career of reading balancing write ups of "ops check normal, could not duplicate, ok to return to service" right before "dupicating" the problem on the next leg. :blink:



I am interested in reading about the exact cause also, from all sources. If you're AA MX, you should have easy access to other private information that shouldn't be shared in a public forum. Try finding the prelim account written by the Flight Dept pilot. Call him, he'd probably talk to you if you're AA. Better yet, read some of the history of the aircraft. If you're are capable of that, it might be interesting to read. I will patiently wait for your apology to the AA pilots involved. If you can't check that info, it's probably not to late to get into a summer camp.




I'll wait awhile before throwing stones at the pilots, they may or may not have been a factor. From what I've learned, it would seem there is more to the story.

Sincerely,
Your humble SkyGod

Yes Sky God if you insist, I am twelve but not chubby just bald. Although I am certain you are a pilot, as you immediately belittle anyone or anything you do not agreee with. Pilots seem to think this works except at home, as most pilots learn time and tiime again, that will just get you another divorce. Guessing that I have probably been fixing AA's airplanes longer than you have been flying them. (By that I mean setting up the autopilots.) I would like to school you on the 777 systems.


But from 29 years plus of past experience you can not teach a pompous pilot anthying.............as he knows all.

FMR run and history? Read it, as would any experienced mechanic.

As for your typical pompous pilot comment about the "can not duplicate" etc. I have been doing this for over 29 years and most pilots nowadays solidify the bus driver in the sky attitude people have, and know very little about the aircraft and its systems. Talking to them about a problem often is like talking to a ditsy blonde at a Kia dealership about that funny noise her car makes.

How about the in flight acars messages we get all the time like screw missing under left wing, right nav light inop, #4 tire pressure low and my all time personal favorite #2 engine did not make take off power!!!!!!! How the hell did ya get here? Its another Sky God perfomed miracle!!

Sorry it took me so long to answer the Sky God but we mechanics actually work for a living.

I await the factual readout of the flight data recorder if and when the sky Gods release it to the peeon maintenance department. Then I will meet you for a beer that you can buy me to settle this argument. Wow a beer bought by a pilot! That would have to be the best beer ever!

 

[Mach85ER]

Thanks jetmechjer,

You clarified your position quite well.

I personally try to avoid initiating any character assasinations and insults on (alleged fellow) employees because I know we all make mistakes, Pilot, FA, MX, and Management included. Unless I'm mistaken, there was blame place by you on the pilots involved without adequate information.

There was also technical information backing your claim such as "3 hydraulic systems" to power the brakes. To the uninformed this might sound good until I inform them that one system on the B777 has nothing to do with the brakes. correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one system has as much to do with the brakes as the toilet seats in the lavs 😀

You also mentioned having access to the FMR history of the aircraft. I did that to give you an "out" for your original tirade because of what happened to the aircraft after it's next flight to. it would seem the problem might not be a failure to set the brake and the reports that the Captain noted he could not stop the aircraft by pressing the brake pedals, even though the accumalator should have had pressure to back up the system.

To sum it up, all available information to a pilot or mechanic indicates the strong possibility of some mechanical problem with the brake system. You obviously have some other personal problem that i can't help you with.

I'd love to find a good Tech/Pilot information board. I doubt it could function with this company.