Air France Crash At Yyz

[767jetz]

I can't stand the media in these situation. It's all about sensationalism and ratings to them. All I hear are words like "disaster" and "miracle." And now we have all the so-called "experts" giving their 2 cents worth. This was an unfortunate event. Thank God everyone survived.

The Firey scene you see on the news constantly, are dramatic images of a plane that errupted into flames AFTER the crash, and AFTER the evacuation started. The hull is mostly intact, which is good news. Sounds like a windshear event, a mechanical problem, or bad judgement caused a normal landing to occur at point down the runway that did not allow enough distance to stop.

The plane was probably slowed to a reasonable speed, and this would have been only an embarrassing situation had there not been a 50 foot drop-off beyond the runway.

Thankfully no one was seriously injured and this was not an act of terrorism. I just wish the media would tone down the hype a bit.

 

[MAABoss]

Both the Pilots and Flight Attendants should be commended for doing an excellent job in evacuating the aircraft. Kudos to the whole crew.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

The flight had 297 Passengers and a crew of 12....only minor injuries due to the evacuation itself. All were treated and released !

Nice work on the part of the AF crew....all other flights were being diverted to Ottawa....as this was to be the last flight into Toronto until the weather passed out of the area.

 

[drifterreno]

I got down on my knees and thanked God that no one lost their life on this flight. Much praise goes out to the entire crew. This is one to be studied and find out how they did it.

 

[robbedagain]

Great Kudos tot he entire Flight Crew of AF358 A-340 for a job well done in gettin all pax put safely. It could have been worse but thank God that they all got out of the plane safely!

 

[FM2436]

Fox and CNN say that local YYZ TV station is reporting everyone survived ... just a couple of broken legs and such. One passenger said he thought they were hit by lighting. Said the cabin lights went out as soon as they touched down.

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There are many reports that the Airbus was hit by lighting. Could that have cause a compete failure of the Airbus fly-by-wire systems? And if so, what does that mean for the Airbus fleet?

 

[ITRADE]

Couple thoughts.

The lights apparently went out prior to landing which immediately gets folks to start thinking lightening strike - especialy on a FBW aircraft.

On the other hand, don't most flight crews dim or cut the cabin lights just a minute or two prior to landing?

The second thought was after looking at some of the rescue and evacuation photos, I noticed that the chutes were activated but did not deploy. Folks had to jump out of the left side.

Wonder what this says about chute deployment systems.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

are the brake pedals connected to the brakes via wire?

 

[767jetz]

Just to dispell a few myths...

I believe the brakes are "brake by wire" but can't confirm that.

Either way, there are so many redundant systems for major components like brakes, flight controls, engine controls, etc. that a lightning strike simply can not bring an airpplane down. There would have to be multiple, multiple failures, and even then there would be som ekind of control.

Lights going out before touchdown could be as simple as a F/A turning off a switch, to a glitch, to a multiple failure affecting the lighting system. If a generator failed, it is quite possible that something called a "load shed" occurred, which basically means non-essential electrical systems are shut down to conserve power for critical systems.

As for thurst reverse, it is not necessary for stopping. In fact it is not used in certification of required stopping distance. It is considered an extra margin of safety.

IMO this sounds more like a weather related (more specifically windshear) accident, that is probably combined with a certain amount of judgement shortcomings. (ie: why try to land in the face of potential windshear?)

There are just too many variables. And as we know from past experience, every accident is a chain of events that add up to an undesired outcome. Until all the flight data is examined, there is just no way to know what happened.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

This accident was another good example of why the airline pilot is a "dinosaur". Instead of making a "no brainer" decision to divert to another airport, the two human brains made a "boneheaded" decision to land during a thunderstorm. This stupid decision not only destroyed a perfectly good airplane, it almost cost 300 people their lives.

Ok,you can call me all the names you want.

 

[KCFlyer]

This accident was another good example of why the airline pilot is a "dinosaur". Instead of making a "no brainer" decision to divert to another airport, the two human brains made a "boneheaded" decision to land during a thunderstorm. This stupid decision not only destroyed a perfectly good airplane, it almost cost 300 people their lives.

Ok,you can call me all the names you want.

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Princess...if you were a pilot, and there was weather at your arrival airport...and other planes were making successful approches and landings...what would you do...divert? It's really really easy to say a decision was a "no brainer" after the fact.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

If it is brake by wire, and power was lost just prior to touchdown, there might not have been time for the back up systems to kick in while the computers were re-booting.

It only takes about thirty seconds to come to a stop with medium auto brakes

Land long and every second becomes even more valuable.

And princess, the manufacturer has already suggested blame on pilot error and will likely run with it because it is cheaper than re-engineering the aircraft.

My money is one loss of electrics.

Just like when the tail fell off of that AA flight in NY, they said something to the effect that the pilot shouldn't have applied so much pressure to the rudder. Does anyone else see a pattern?

 

[sentrido]

I think here it will be harder to blame the pilots, for the obviouse reason that they are not dead and therfore can defend themselves.

 

[RDU Jetblast]

That's a good thing! Scarebus' PR machine is already saying that nobody was killed because of their high engineering standards. Pretty arrogant, I think. I believe luck or devine intervention had more to do with that than their engineering standards.

 

[767jetz]

Ok,you can call me all the names you want.

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OK, if you insist. YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Was there a poor decision? Maybe yes, maybe no. There are a thousand possibilities, and I guarantee in the end there will be many contributing factors that led to this accident.

Your post just illustrates your lack of knowledge, and predisposition to jump to simplistic conclusions.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. :down: