American Says Upstate N.Y. Trips at Risk If LaGuardia Limit Ends

[Crash Pad DCA]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-20/american-says-upstate-n-y-trips-at-risk-if-laguardia-limit-ends

 

[PHL]

I thought the runways weren't long enough for a fully loaded plane to do a transcon.  But I guess that was the old days when 757's and larger widebodies were the norm.  Now an A319 or 737-800 can probably do it with ease.

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA is just wimping out of interest in the transcon market because it realizes it doesn't have the right aircraft to do transcons.

Since US bailed out of the upstate NY to LGA market years ago which is part of what drove the DL-US slot swap, it isn't exactly AA's position to say what service will get cut since it doesn't serve ANY LGA- upstate NY markets and AA can't speak for what competitors will do.

Since DL has plenty of mainline aircraft, it can upgrade flights on small RJs which is what they have done consistently at LGA since the slot swap.

Further, it isn't the PANYNJ's position to be deciding what markets will/will not retain service based on slot restrictions. The only reason the PANYNJ can consider is operational issues; anything else is regulation of the market which is not permitted under deregulation.

 

[jcw]

Right AA has no aircraft flying coast to coast

 

[wings396]

Correct, as well as a shortage of Mainline AC...
Have we all forgotten the he who rules LGA will rule the world. Not going to argue that the NYC market isn't important, but the aviation system of the USA hardly revolves around it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one said it did.

but AA got rid of its 762s which could fly LGA to the west coast, chose not to use 757s or 767s which could fly transcon from LGA, and put their eggs in the 321 basket which could not operate from LGA to the west coast.

AA's concern is not for the upstate NY markets because they don't even serve them.

Their concern is that they, unlike DL and UA, don't have a 3 cabin aircraft like they use for their JFK transcon flights that could operate from LGA.

 

[jcw]

Let's see - you have a slot constrained airport - so if an airline wants to add west coast flying from LGA - what would one have to do ? That's right stop flying another route to free up a slot - where would one get a slot - of oh that's right - they would take it from a smaller city - good chances that would come from someplace in NY or some other state

However let's not let the facts get in the way of good spin

 

[WorldTraveler]

they would UPGRADE FLIGHTS to a larger aircraft which is exactly what DL has done thruout its system.

DL has not DROPPED ROUTES.

and again AA's argument is meaningless because they don't fly LGA to upstate New York.

 

[jcw]

It's clear someone does not understand how a slot controlled airport works - who said AA was talking about its own flights

 

[WorldTraveler]

I understand the concept completely.

You don't get the concept that AA doesn't fly LGA to upstate NY and it is in no position to be able to say what will get cut or not.

if AA wanted to make a point, it would say what flights and/or markets IT WOULD CUT if it started LGA-west coast nonstop service - if it could find the right aircraft to do so.

AA is simply pandering to politicians because it doesn't have the right aircraft in the right configuration and might not also have the gate and terminal space to have to convert dozens of flights that currently operate with RJs including 50 seats to 150 seat mainline aircraft.

since you think you have such a firm grasp of what is involved here, how about YOU tell us what markets and with what aircraft AA will fly from LGA to the west coast and what markets it will cut in order to do so?

 

[Kev3188]

Correct, as well as a shortage of Mainline AC...
Have we all forgotten the he who rules LGA will rule the world. Not going to argue that the NYC market isn't important, but the aviation system of the USA hardly revolves around it.

Actually, it kinda does.

The second a cloud appears anywhere in ZNY, it's like the end of days, and the ripple effect means the rest of America's ATC system is f'ed...

 

[Lake Central]

And like Delta doesn't pander to politicians, really?
 

I understand the concept completely.

You don't get the concept that AA doesn't fly LGA to upstate NY and it is in no position to be able to say what will get cut or not.

if AA wanted to make a point, it would say what flights and/or markets IT WOULD CUT if it started LGA-west coast nonstop service - if it could find the right aircraft to do so.

AA is simply pandering to politicians because it doesn't have the right aircraft in the right configuration and might not also have the gate and terminal space to have to convert dozens of flights that currently operate with RJs including 50 seats to 150 seat mainline aircraft.

since you think you have such a firm grasp of what is involved here, how about YOU tell us what markets and with what aircraft AA will fly from LGA to the west coast and what markets it will cut in order to do so?

 

[WorldTraveler]

doesn't matter if DL panders to politicians or not.

DL doesn't predict what will happen to a market that it doesn't serve.

again, you and jcw can huddle and tell us what AA will cut if LGA longhaul flights are allowed. arguing that markets they don't serve will get cut won't fly.

And while you are in the huddle, you can tell us what aircraft AA will use; will they have to configure some 757s or 767s with 3 class service in order to compete with the LGA transcon service which DL will operate on its Business Elite equipped 757s and 767ERs that can operate from LGA to the west coast and are ready with the right product.

and DL has the terminal space at LGA to add more mainline flights.

today.

 

[jcw]

Wow it's a tough one for you today - tell us which flights DL will cut to make west coast flying happen at LGA
 
Last I checked there is a huge construction project going on at LGA that is going to solve a ton of gate issues - so knowing that is not a long term issue let's and let's stay on topic - once again for the huge build up you are predicting for DL to make at LGA for west coast flying list all the cities that DL will reduce frequency to free up slots for west coast flying

 

[nevergiveup]

I understand the concept completely.

You don't get the concept that AA doesn't fly LGA to upstate NY and it is in no position to be able to say what will get cut or not.

if AA wanted to make a point, it would say what flights and/or markets IT WOULD CUT if it started LGA-west coast nonstop service - if it could find the right aircraft to do so.

AA is simply pandering to politicians because it doesn't have the right aircraft in the right configuration and might not also have the gate and terminal space to have to convert dozens of flights that currently operate with RJs including 50 seats to 150 seat mainline aircraft.

since you think you have such a firm grasp of what is involved here, how about YOU tell us what markets and with what aircraft AA will fly from LGA to the west coast and what markets it will cut in order to do so?

So do you have any hobbies?