Anti-kerry Film Sparks Dnc Response
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I haven't seen anything but your own opinion on here, it seems to me you've been listening to way too much liberal talk radio. Try getting some facts for a change.
For starters, try to refute that statement with something that doesn't require you to use the word "Daddy." You've got tunnel vision pal.
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Fred....did it ever occur to you that maybe the Iraqi people wanted Saddam gone, but they didn't want democracy or "freedom" in the American sense of the word?
No, it isn't. It's a war. But I promise you this, when the next terrorist attack takes place on these shores, I won't say "I told you so".
We alson have videos of children in Iraq screaming that the "American Pigs" are killing their mothers...and the Americans must die.
Again, a very American-esque view of things....but is it what the Iraqi people want?
The world is not a safer place. Ask the Spaniards. Oh yes...they are yellow cowards, "giving in to the terrorists"...no better than the French in your view. But they thought that they were fighting to make the world safer and only found that they were less safe. I assure you...if terrorists were to strike within our borders next month, an awful lot more Americans would start to question if this "war on terror" has been successful at all.
And again I say, no it isn't.
Really? How many Iraqi's were hijackers on Sept 11? How many Saudi's? Did we go to Afganistan because they were harboring these terrorists groups? Was Iraq harboring any of these terrorists?
Exactly "Pal"!
fyi - "Liberal" means open-minded and, in fact, is tied to the word liberty. Many of our Founding Fathers were "liberals" who had the patience and civility to listen to differing points of view and thus forged a new idea of a nation.
This "say anything" mentality of the current brand of Republicanism bears no resemblance to that ideal. If conservative means sinking the nation into a black hole of debt and rushing off to war in a second foreign country because there is nothing left worth bombing in the first, shouldn't that be a dirty word?
Exactly "Pal"!
fyi - "Liberal" means open-minded and, in fact, is tied to the word liberty. Many of our Founding Fathers were "liberals" who had the patience and civility to listen to differing points of view and thus forged a new idea of a nation.
This "say anything" mentality of the current brand of Republicanism bears no resemblance to that ideal. If conservative means sinking the nation into a black hole of debt and rushing off to war in a second foreign country because there is nothing left worth bombing in the first, shouldn't that be a dirty word?
I think what divided this nation more than anything else was the counts in Floriduh in 2000.USAir757 said:
Since that time partisan politics have been the in thing.
The second parting of the ways for politics is directly attributed to Bush.
His inability to lead through concensus, instead of his tried and wrong method of beleiving he is always right , and his arrogance makes him the wrong choice for President 4 years ago and more importantly today, after seeing just how poorly he has led this country.
Of course he gave big tax cuts for the rich. I do believe they support him.
How disgusting. The rich saved 89 billion . And that was just the top 1%
KC, who doesn't want freedom?
We've had that for years. It's no secret that we're not the most well-liked people in the middle east.
Of course it's not "successful"! It's not over! We've only just begun this one. Why don't we make it easy on them and just let the terrorists vote for us KC?
Get away from 9/11. Al-Quaida is not the only enemy here. Have you heard of Hamas? al-Jihad? Iraq has been harboring terrorists for years and years. There are plenty of other terrorist organizations out there with aspirations to attack American interests. If we don't stop them, they're going to follow through.
What crazy dictionary did you get that from? None of the definitions that I could find on that word said anything like that. Provide me your source.
First, only the press and those seeking to discredit the administration have said that administration has tried to tie iraq to 9/11. They never have. They have tried to tie iraq to al-queida and those links have been found abundant in a great many places.
The President did not go into iraq because there was nothing left to bomb in afganistan. He went there because they were a state sponsor of terrorists and terrorism.
Just because Osama is saudi does not mean that they are a state sponsor of terrorism. Their government has joined in on the war to defeat these groups. In fact, they have "arrested" several operatives of Al-Queida.
If that is your criteria, then since they were training here under Bill Clinton, then we should attack and bomb our own country? What about the american that joined forces with the taliban and al-queida. Using your logic, we should attack ... ourself?
That is up to the Iraq Government. The President has already told the new government in Iraq that our military is there at their pleasure. If they wanted us gone, they would have but to ask. I guess coming over here and thaking Congress Personally carries little weight with you.
You have no idea what my view on this is so don't pretend that you do!
The President did not go into iraq because there was nothing left to bomb in afganistan. He went there because they were a state sponsor of terrorists and terrorism.
Just because Osama is saudi does not mean that they are a state sponsor of terrorism. Their government has joined in on the war to defeat these groups. In fact, they have "arrested" several operatives of Al-Queida.
If that is your criteria, then since they were training here under Bill Clinton, then we should attack and bomb our own country? What about the american that joined forces with the taliban and al-queida. Using your logic, we should attack ... ourself?
That is up to the Iraq Government. The President has already told the new government in Iraq that our military is there at their pleasure. If they wanted us gone, they would have but to ask. I guess coming over here and thaking Congress Personally carries little weight with you.
You have no idea what my view on this is so don't pretend that you do!
atabuy said:
Thats rich, complain about how divide this country is then engage in class warfare. I like it.
For your education, there were quite a number of acts and bills that were passed in the early parts of the current administration. Quite a few opportunites that the President took to try to work with the like of Teddy Kennedy and others. They responded by filibustering his nominations for judgeships and playing partisan politics.
Sounds like they really wanted to bring this country together.
Fine, you want to believe we went to Iraq to stop terrorism (my a$$).
No, DUH, I don't think we should attack ourselves....I don't think we should attack anyone who hasn't attacked us first!
LIBERAL
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous, handsome, munificent, openhanded
\Lib"er*al\ (l[i^]b"[~e]r*al), a. [F. lib['e]ral, L. liberalis, from liber free; perh. akin to libet, lubet, it pleases, E. lief. Cf. Deliver.] 1. Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman; refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean; as, a liberal ancestry; a liberal spirit; liberal arts or studies. `` Liberal education.'' --Macaulay. `` A liberal tongue.'' --Shak.
CONSERVATIVE
con·ser·va·tive ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.
adj 1: resistant to change [ant: liberal]
unimaginatively conventional
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Looking at those two definitions....YES......call me a liberal anyday.
No, DUH, I don't think we should attack ourselves....I don't think we should attack anyone who hasn't attacked us first!
LIBERAL
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous, handsome, munificent, openhanded
\Lib"er*al\ (l[i^]b"[~e]r*al), a. [F. lib['e]ral, L. liberalis, from liber free; perh. akin to libet, lubet, it pleases, E. lief. Cf. Deliver.] 1. Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman; refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean; as, a liberal ancestry; a liberal spirit; liberal arts or studies. `` Liberal education.'' --Macaulay. `` A liberal tongue.'' --Shak.
CONSERVATIVE
con·ser·va·tive ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.
adj 1: resistant to change [ant: liberal]
unimaginatively conventional
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Looking at those two definitions....YES......call me a liberal anyday.
Maybe someone who is in the know can answer this for me.
Kerry has mentioned a few times that when we had Osama cornered in Tora Bora,
we let war lords go in instead of using our own troops.
These war lords were helping Osama just weeks before.
These are my theories as to why someone would not want Osama caught right away.
1. Iraq was escalating.
2. An election was coming up and if we had all of the national gaurd away, new jobs would be open to replace them. The numbers would look good.
3...........
Can anyone fill in more?
Kerry has mentioned a few times that when we had Osama cornered in Tora Bora,
we let war lords go in instead of using our own troops.
These war lords were helping Osama just weeks before.
These are my theories as to why someone would not want Osama caught right away.
1. Iraq was escalating.
2. An election was coming up and if we had all of the national gaurd away, new jobs would be open to replace them. The numbers would look good.
3...........
Can anyone fill in more?
Fred, Give me the links you speak of.FredF said:
In Moores' film they had Bush at a fundraiser addressing the group.
He said to them: There are the haves, and the have mores. You are the have mores and you are my base.
Now why do you think that is so?
Fly said:
As in get off yours and go find the truth.
Here, this clearly shows that even the previous administration even found links.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...03/527uwabl.asp
What about countries that sponsor terrorists that have attacked us?
