Arbitrators Ruling With TWU Representing Both Groups

[swamt]

Just wondering how all the TWU guys are looking at the recent ruling for the SWA/AT dispatchers after arbitration? TWU had a "memo" stating how to integrate. As the mechanics at AA may (will) be possibly dealing with a merger and integration, guess such language does not have to followed by an arbitrator. So much for the MB law, huh?

 

[Hopeful]

Just wondering how all the TWU guys are looking at the recent ruling for the SWA/AT dispatchers after arbitration? TWU had a "memo" stating how to integrate. As the mechanics at AA may (will) be possibly dealing with a merger and integration, guess such language does not have to followed by an arbitrator. So much for the MB law, huh?

That's why the arbitrator is who he/she is..
In the case of TWU/IAM being ruled by Kasher with the AA takeover of TWA...What he ruled was fair and equitable basically that TWA should get 25% of their occupational seniority after figuring in size, routes, asm's etc. What one party may have felt was fair and equitable was in no way fair and equitable to another party.
The arbitrator rules on the case before him but does consider past precedence.

What if the Kasher rule regarding 25% becomes the new standard..Who knows.

 

[swamt]

That's why the arbitrator is who he/she is..
In the case of TWU/IAM being ruled by Kasher with the AA takeover of TWA...What he ruled was fair and equitable basically that TWA should get 25% of their occupational seniority after figuring in size, routes, asm's etc. What one party may have felt was fair and equitable was in no way fair and equitable to another party.
The arbitrator rules on the case before him but does consider past precedence.

What if the Kasher rule regarding 25% becomes the new standard..Who knows.

Are you saying that it could happen again as it did with AA/TWA? Or that the arbitrator will review the ruling from AA and TWA to use in his/hers rulling??

 

[Hopeful]

Are you saying that it could happen again as it did with AA/TWA? Or that the arbitrator will review the ruling from AA and TWA to use in his/hers rulling??

I would say the arbitrator can rule whatever he/she deems "fair and equitable."

Sure, the Kasher ruling can be the one to be used in future cases involving Allegheny-Mohawk.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Just wondering how all the TWU guys are looking at the recent ruling for the SWA/AT dispatchers after arbitration? TWU had a "memo" stating how to integrate. As the mechanics at AA may (will) be possibly dealing with a merger and integration, guess such language does not have to followed by an arbitrator. So much for the MB law, huh?

You have a link to the decision? We can't even get a bankruptcy term sheet from the international here, let alone an arbitration case decision. 😉

 

[BoeingBoy]

Just wondering how all the TWU guys are looking at the recent ruling for the SWA/AT dispatchers after arbitration? TWU had a "memo" stating how to integrate. As the mechanics at AA may (will) be possibly dealing with a merger and integration, guess such language does not have to followed by an arbitrator. So much for the MB law, huh?

If M-B is triggered, it means different unions represent the same class/craft(s) on each side. So if you think a union's merger policy should be followed, what if the two unions have contradictory policies - which is followed? Or if a merger that would trigger M-B looked like it may take place, what's to keep the union for one side from changing it's merger policy to better position it's people on the integrated list? See the problems that can arise? So all M-B says is that the arbitrator has to arrive at a "fair" integrated list and leaves it up to the arbitrator to determine what is "fair".

Jim

 

[Buck]

Could one union represent say fleet service and the other maintenance?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Could one union represent say fleet service and the other maintenance?

I presume so, but that gets into craft/class issues and I'm not sure whether the NMB considers them both part of the same craft/class or not. Do you know of any carriers where different unions represent ramp and maintenance?

Jim

 

[Buck]

I presume so, but that gets into craft/class issues and I'm not sure whether the NMB considers them both part of the same craft/class or not. Do you know of any carriers where different unions represent ramp and maintenance?

Jim

WN has a union for the mechanics that is a stand alone, AMFA.
I am not sure who represents their ramp.

I was generally speaking of the possibly of the TWU keeping the ramp from AA and gaining the ramp at USAir and the IAM gaining maintenance from AA and keeping maintenance at USAir.....

 

[lineguy43]

I presume so, but that gets into craft/class issues and I'm not sure whether the NMB considers them both part of the same craft/class or not. Do you know of any carriers where different unions represent ramp and maintenance?

Jim

I don't know if the NMB rules have changed but when we seperated from the IAM to go AMFA in 2001 the Ramp is NOT considered same class/craft but cleaners ARE. I think it was meant to be hanger cleaners who work with chemicals but we at NWA did not differentiate between hanger cleaners and what we called groomers who cleaned the a/c cabins so we were forced to take them when we broke away. Again industrial unions like the IAM and TWU actually fought to have the class and craft laid out like that to keep the mechanics from leaving by diluting the vote thinking the cleaners would never vote to be in a mechanics only union..Well that backfired for the IAM in 2001.

 

[xUT]

I presume so, but that gets into craft/class issues and I'm not sure whether the NMB considers them both part of the same craft/class or not. Do you know of any carriers where different unions represent ramp and maintenance?

Jim

UAL,
Ramp IAM, M&R reamsters.
NWA (was)
Ramp IAM, M&R AMFA
😛

 

[Bob Owens]

I presume so, but that gets into craft/class issues and I'm not sure whether the NMB considers them both part of the same craft/class or not. Do you know of any carriers where different unions represent ramp and maintenance?

Jim

Figure any carrier that has/had AMFA would have a different Union than ramp. So there are several
SWA, Alaska, United, Continental, NWA, and Ozark are a few examples.

 

[Bob Owens]

WN has a union for the mechanics that is a stand alone, AMFA.
I am not sure who represents their ramp.

I was generally speaking of the possibly of the TWU keeping the ramp from AA and gaining the ramp at USAir and the IAM gaining maintenance from AA and keeping maintenance at USAir.....

TWU represents the Ramp at WN. Goes to show that if you put everyone in one local and pull the AATD out of it things are different.

 

[Buck]

TWU represents the Ramp at WN. Goes to show that if you put everyone in one local and pull the AATD out of it things are different.

at first when you posted AATD in another thread it was a typo.

 

[uncle Omar]

WN has a union for the mechanics that is a stand alone, AMFA.
I am not sure who represents their ramp.

I was generally speaking of the possibly of the TWU keeping the ramp from AA and gaining the ramp at USAir and the IAM gaining maintenance from AA and keeping maintenance at USAir.....

Oh God in heaven please let this happen !! Let the NON skilled union(TWU) represent NON skilled labor..