B6 320's At San Salvador

[AAviator]

you would rather throw stones at others and blame your problems on someone else. Oh and by the way I didn't work for TWA. Get a life.

[post="274432"][/post]​

I don't know where the TWA thing came from, so I'll let that hit the floor. And as far as my "problems", can you let me know just what the "problems" are from where you sit?

Just asking.

 

[DalMD88]

Some people just don't get how all this outsourcing is killing not just the aviation industry but our whole American middle class society. It is a race to the wage bottom that nobody wins. I love the 'just go do something else' line. Like what? selling cell phone plans, Wal Mart greeter, truck driver. If we keep allowing these jobs that Shrub says Americans don't want, go overseas then that is all that will be left.

WAKE UP before it's too late.

 

[bluetoad]

I might be wrong but it seems to me Delta led the pack with outsourcing. Specifically all their mainline flying to comair and ASA.

 

[Daedalus]

WAKE UP before it's too late.

[post="274670"][/post]​

That's advice that can go both ways in this argument...balls or no balls.

 

[AAviator]

Daedalus: The Greek mythological character who hung up his wings to get into construction. How appropriate.

 

[luvn737s]

Then I'll start a new career. This is a job not my life. You might do well to remember that.

[post="274392"][/post]​

Suppose the generation of pilots before you had that attitude. What do you suppose B6 would try to get away with offering you? Your pay rate wasn't established out of the goodness of Neeleman's heart. It is a percentage of the prevailing wage in the industry, a figure that was, in itself, established due to a number of pilots who were unwilling to consider it "just a job".

And it's not just my mailbox that says Captain. My Yugo has a vanity plate that says it too.

 

[DalMD88]

I might be wrong but it seems to me Delta led the pack with outsourcing. Specifically all their mainline flying to comair and ASA.

[post="274685"][/post]​

True, maybe not the actual first, but one of the leaders in this movment. I think we would all be better off if all Connection/Express flying was staffed out of the same pool of mainline employees. Pilots would still be paid according to type and would fly would ever they could bid. All the two tier payscales would be gone for gate agents, ramp, mtc. Why should a gate agent handling an RJ be payed less than some one boarding a 737? Service and moral would improve across the entire system.

Unfortunately I doubt this will happen industry wide in the near future. The CEO's like having a second class payed workforce.

 

[jbu320]

<chuckle> The only mailbox I have that says that is at the airport 😛

Who's throwing stones? I've only stated the truth about you finding the career, (which to you is just a job) as being disposable. You sound just like jblu320. jetBlue is the best thing that ever happened to you. Well, good for you. The pay and working conditions on the 190 is your baby. Its just a job afterall 🙄

[post="274434"][/post]​

Excuse me but JBLU320 never said this was the best thing that ever happened to him. By far it ranks low on the events scale. I said in a 34 year airline career with 29 of them being with what you call the 'elite' major type, I never enjoyed a job as much as I do at JB. That's what I said. I might remind you that you and your industry types who classify us as 'ball less' best check your own scrotums. You're stepping on some meat that doesn't deserve it. It might be a small percentage but there have been a lot of us join this company after long successful careers with good 'defunct' carriers that don't really give a crap what you think. You possibly were passing gas in your diapers when we were pulling gear in round motor airplanes. :down:

 

[Farley]

From someone who has never met me, thats a pretty ballsy statement. Even more ballsy is that it came from a B6 pilot. Who, known in this industry for their selection of being ball-less in general.
No, I take pride in my profession. I won't (baaaa) simply find something else (baaaaa) to do if someone attempts to merely bring foreign pilots to take my job.

B6 brought us the 100 seat captain job that pays less, and works more than the guy managing the shoe department at your local department store.

I completely understand why you think of the profession as now being disposable.

[post="274425"][/post]​

Holy Cow! AA invented th B-Scale, has slaves on the property known as Eagle, (who are flying 90 seaters for pretty lame wages, and you won't even let them on your list) whines about the Wright Ammendment, etc. We are just completing our 5th year, and a start-up traditionally can't be counted on to lead the industry in wages. Thanks for the informative lecture, but go home and relax with the kids, and it will all be better. Ask United about leading the industry in pay. It's a distinction that is fleeting at best. Have fun!

 

[AAviator]

Excuse me but JBLU320 never said this was the best thing that ever happened to him. By far it ranks low on the events scale. I said in a 34 year airline career with 29 of them being with what you call the 'elite' major type, I never enjoyed a job as much as I do at JB. That's what I said. I might remind you that you and your industry types who classify us as 'ball less' best check your own scrotums. You're stepping on some meat that doesn't deserve it. It might be a small percentage but there have been a lot of us join this company after long successful careers with good 'defunct' carriers that don't really give a crap what you think. You possibly were passing gas in your diapers when we were pulling gear in round motor airplanes. :down:

[post="275354"][/post]​

Nice job cleaning up you post. Whats the matter? Can't stand by your original post?

Where did I use the word "elite"? Could it be because I still consider piloting aircraft a "profession", and a "career", not just a "job"?

Why did you take out your Alpa ramblings? Not that it had anything to do with the thread. That said, I suspect you you've found a point of equilibrium in your career. A couple of years to go, and don't want anyone making waves. Does it matter to you how you leave this profession?

Sorry if I got your silk scarf in a knot. :huh:

 

[AAviator]

Holy Cow!  AA invented th B-Scale, has slaves on the property known as Eagle, (who are flying 90 seaters for pretty lame wages, and you won't even let them on your list) whines about the Wright Ammendment, etc.  We are just completing our 5th year, and a start-up traditionally can't be counted on to lead the industry in wages.  Thanks for the informative lecture, but go home and relax with the kids, and it will all be better.  Ask United about leading the industry in pay.  It's a distinction that is fleeting at best.  Have fun!

[post="275407"][/post]​

Farley, thats an air-ball. Yep AA had a B-scale, but we also kept the A scale. Your still at a B- scale and are starting a d scale. You edited you post too, did the blue police come knocking on your door too?

As for Eagle, they're resposible for their own destiny. Their lame wages, and they are lame, were ratified by their group. They'll tell you it was APA's fault, but they have 16 yr contract that they did all by themselves.

90 seaters huh? try 70. They have 25 CRJ700, with options for 25 more that probably won't get filled. I've heard that they break a lot. Can you you tell me where the 90 seat thing came from? Are you trying to make yourself feel better by saying the e190 has a couple more seats than the eagle jet, so the pay rate on the e190 is about right? Were you told that by some "values" committe? Since you brought seating into this, heres some numbers you might find interesting (or not).

The e190 has a seating capacity 43% greater than the Eagle CRJ700. Yet the capt. end rate at jetBlue is less.

As far as "letting" them on our list, why don't you "let" them on yours? We do have a flow through program, but does nothing for the topic at hand.

Lets step over to something a little closer, in the LCC category. Airtan, is flying the 717 with 22% greater seating capacity than the e190 for a mere 80% more compensation. Horizon is flying PROPS for more money.

As far as the Wright ammendment, Neeleman, if he were in Arpey's shoes, would have the exact same position.

I like this one: "We are just completing our 5th year, and a start-up traditionally can't be counted on to lead the industry in wages". Can we hope you can at least stop watering down the profession? Is that too much to ask? You guys are breaking some serious new ground here. You've lowered the bar to lows never seen before.

And its not just pay. How do you like your sick time being your vacation too? Even an Eagle pilot gets sick time that isn't his vacation too. Watching you guys defend the e190 pay is disgusting. My neighbor delivers boxes for UPS in a freightliner van, and does better.

Oh yea, I forgot, its just a job. 🙄

 

[lpbrian]

Oh and another thing, myself and 2000 of my fellow pilots jobs were outsourced at my former employer. What do you call it when flying goes to the regionals at the expense of those at the mainline? Sounds like outsourcing to me. Thanks for the lecture though.

[post="274397"][/post]​

Only pilots were outsourced? What about F/A's, Ramp, Ticket agents, Mechs, etc. The transfer of mainline flying to regionals affects ALL employees, not just pilots.