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MagSeal

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Since I've been hearing alot about burning bridges lately ( a few posts recently mentioned it), does anyone ever feel it is a legitimate concern in this day and age?

I know the industry is small, and the only ones I have ever heard who have first hand experience with it were the old timers. I personally feel that most people who have control over you are smart enough to base your employment on your merit and experience, not based on whether they think you dissed them at some point for some frivolous thing.
Does anyone else agree? Disagree?
 
I believe you are right with most of you point. Where it becomes interesting is that you perhaps learn more about someone's personality than you knew before.

If a person has a legitimate beef(not a mad cow) and they have not recieved any positive results and rant about it then so be it. My opinion of some of the people I have recognized in here has not changed, although know very few.

Burning bridges in my opinion is somewhat a more tangible thing where a fella leaves you high and dry or quits to go on to something else and you have put a lot a money into training lately. There is only one pilot who has done this to the company I worked for, and whom I hold a strong opinion against ever rehiriing this person, which is not a bad record for I have had around fifty pilots go through our doors while working there. I have nver had hard feelings towards a pilot for quitting on reasonable grounds ie, moving to new location or up the ladder to bigger or better things. This is just how it is. One fella quit three times over a two year period only to be lured back by my boss twice. I didn't find out until later that he was making more monthly than I was(I had a senior management job and over twice the time), my boss was desperate to keep a customer and therefor paid the world. The pilot still eventually quit and it didn't help moral for him to stay as long as he did, as the other pilots knew what was going on to some extent and smelled a rat as I did. There is a special place in my heart for my ex-boss though I tell ya.

I digress, sorry, to answer more directly maggie, I wouldn't be too affected by what is said here, but to show one's inner personality and have people know you are probably more discerning to some than worrying about future employment.

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I gotta agree with Scullcap on most of his points.

As an ops manager (not helicopters) I have to treat each employee based on their personality but also have to make sure that they are treated all the same when it comes to operational aspects such as rules & regulations, co. policies, discipline etc......I feel its a very fine line.

My guys are all aware that they wreap what they sow. That being said their are some that go the extra mile and some that do the bare minimum and the latter are the ones who bark the loudest.

I have a strong TEAM but there always are 1 or 2 bad apples in the basket and they know who they are. What goes around comes around.

The long and the short of it is as far as I'm concerned the bad apples have burned their bridges because when it comes to needing something from me, they will not get it. Whether it be a reference if they are moving on, day off for whatever reason, etc.....

We are all accountable for our actions especially in how we DO & SAY(type) things and as I've said...What goes around comes around.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers

R
 
At the risk of sounding un-intelligent, don't forget; it's only burning a bridge if YOU thing you've burned a bridge.

The one with the most strength is the one who truly believes he has nothing left to lose.

Had I felt this way back in '91, a certain popular operator in the Okanagan would've squirmed in a rather uncomfortable manner.

Chances are, you're first impressions are probably correct, trouble is, as human beings we are very adept at talking ourselves out of what we know to be true. I dare say there are a fair few operators who know this and as a result, say things to make us feel that we have to accept what we're being handed.

Trust me when I say that's B.S. of the highest order.

Unfortunately, at the end of the day it's you who has to decide how far you are prepared to push the issue.
 
Hey Carboned Up Seal after schooling and working together and 15 years of telling everyone how much of a puttz' you are 😀 You still have a job and I still have a job! 😛 😛 😛 I guess some of the bridges are made of steel, some of concrete and some of wood! I'm sure you'll see the humour in this one... 😉
 
I don't feel I've ever burnt a brige. I may have started a smouldering one, but I think the first lit match was from them anyway. The people that mattered, (should I ever try and work there again), seemed to know that things change, people change, lifestyles change, and they accepted that I needed to make that change.
I did feel bad because I was off for 2 1/2 months just prior, but this was an opportunity I couldn't let pass.

I've known of guys who get their endorsements and run, and I can understand how that must burn an employers arse, but how far will that go? I'm sure every operator who has lost a guy who just got trained, also has picked up guys who also just got trained by someone else.

It probably also isn't good to be an employer with a reputation for blacklisting guys who 'supposedly' burn bridges, if you do that enough we all know where you'd find yourself on the list of 'best companies to work for'
 
You may not have burnt any bridges Mag, but I did...! I'll probably never get to work for "that" operator again, darn 😀 😀 😀

I haven't missed flying the 12,000+ hr 350B's yet though...

What I really miss is the Uniforms, Oh well, I can always go and work at Canadian Tire to fix that urge I guess 😀
 
407,
I think almost everyone has burnt a bridge there!
I am suprised they still have enough wood to build more, especially without a logging division! :blink:
 
Come on there Mag!!!

Don't you remember when you sent that 'working gal' to your favorite GM's home?? No bridges burned there? I think it is almost time for a 'reunion'? I think we all chipped in 25 cents back then. Wonder if her wages went up?

I don't think I would ever go back there either, I still don't know if they knew I was working for the other guys for one month before I gave my notice, I was working my guarented one year salary all the way......!!! Oh ya, no gay uniform......to iron nighty.
 
ok T-Rex...how much did I have to drink?

I'd ask you to refresh my memory, but I wondering if thats a good idea... :shock:

I do remember the uniforms, but ironing them??? I barely washed them :up:
 
Actually, I tend to disagree with MagSeal about operators that blacklist pilots.

Years ago I worked for one operator in Alaska that has been in operation for over 40 years and had developed an extensive "black list" and had every right to do so. Not one single pilot on that list was there for a bogus reason. And I qualify this with the following examples:

Pilot 1 claimed his mother was mortally ill and he had to go visit her immediately. The company paid to get a relief pilot out into the field to keep the contract customer happy, paid his airline ticket to go "see" his mother, gave him one week off with pay and promissed his job would be held open for him come hell or high water. Turns out he was full of hot air, as a week into this another company's Chief Pilot called me to verify employment. He lied to us and we paid blindly.

Pilot 2 was flying tours in an AS350B2 and had a reputation of hot-dogging. One day, as he came bailing over a cliff the intermittent high-rpm horn went off, but he thought the engine had quit and autorotated onto a river bank. Another helicopter had to be dispatched to pick up his passengers. Turns out he was telling all his passengers after landing how he had saved their lives from certain doom.

Pilot 3 was asigned to move drills in very challenging topography. He had over 16,000 hours experience. The customer kept calling praising how they never had such a great pilot who would fly in any weather condition - as a matter of fact, they mentioned multiple times how good he was flying in fog because the first thing they would see was a load of drill rods on a 150' line prior to seeing the helicopter. He always got his crews out into the hover-holes, even if it ment flying tree top to tree top. No matter how heavy the loads, he would get them off. Well, two months later, after sending the engine out for scheduled maintenance, we got notified that the engine was completely trashed. Had to replace it with a new one. Lost a lot of money on that contract.

I could go on and waste webspace giving more examples of "black listed pilots." There definitely is a valid reason for having such a list as long as a standard is developed defining what actions are required to be placed on the black list. Needless to say, that list is unofficially shared with other operators. This practice might not be legal, but it sure has saved many companies from hiring weak, unsafe, dangerous pilots.

However, getting back to the original thread, burning bridges can sometimes be a necessity and other times it can hurt you. It all depends on the situation and company.
 
are those really burnt bridge issues? the first one may be but the others were just fine examples of guys who should maybe find another career. They seem to have added themselves to the blacklist all by themselves.

And your closing statement is true, but where is the line?

Is quitting for a better opportunity, with poor timing (ie; just after training), something that should be used against you for the rest of your career?

I just got the latest Vertical magazine, and I noticed in alot of the ads for pilots they are throwing in the disclaimer about being accident free for 2-3years if you want employment. Is this one way to weed out the bad, or is it something the 'record profitmaking' insurance companies are pushing?
 

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