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In Saudi you must be a muslim to gain citizenship.
In Afganastan, the muslims want to kill converts.
In India the muslims are fighting the Hindu.
In Pakistan, the muslims are fighting everyone.
In Indonesia the muslims are killing Christians.
In the Philippines the muslims are fighting everyone else.
In the middle east, the muslims are fighting jews and anyone else, including muslim sects (shiites/sunni/etc).

Not to mention the conflict in Thailand, with a coup led by a muslim general.

Yea, everyone else in the world is evil tyrants and you folks are peaceful law abiding and religious.

GMAFB!!!

:down: UT
 
In Saudi you must be a muslim to gain citizenship.
In Afganastan, the muslims want to kill converts.
In India the muslims are fighting the Hindu.
In Pakistan, the muslims are fighting everyone.
In Indonesia the muslims are killing Christians.
In the Philippines the muslims are fighting everyone else.
In the middle east, the muslims are fighting jews and anyone else, including muslim sects (shiites/sunni/etc).

Not to mention the conflict in Thailand, with a coup led by a muslim general.

Yea, everyone else in the world is evil tyrants and you folks are peaceful law abiding and religious.

GMAFB!!!

:down: UT


Muslims are Satan's tool of choice at this present time in history. (You shall know them by their fruits)

It's obvious to anyone who can see: Good Versus Evil, it's really that simple and not what the extreme right or left would have you believe as both extremes are just as lost in their self righteous indignant egos.

This is a turning point in world history and occurring exactly as per every living word of God, which I could go into, but we spare you, for now.

According to your faith, be it unto you.
 
This is not regarding theological differences of religion but to show that these anti-nonmuslim actions affect everyone regardless of their religious affiliation.

They do not care what your religious affiliation (or atheist/agnostic) is unless your are muslim.

To the muslim community, if you are not muslim, you do not exist (in their eyes)…

See it for what it is.

UT
 
This is not regarding theological differences of religion but to show that these anti-nonmuslim actions affect everyone regardless of their religious affiliation.

They do not care what your religious affiliation (or atheist/agnostic) is unless your are muslim.

To the muslim community, if you are not muslim, you do not exist (in their eyes)…

See it for what it is.

UT
It IS all about affiliation, nothing else makes sense. It is in the spiritual realm that everything is directed, sort of the control center. Of course those that foolishly believe we came from nothing and to nothing we end up are convinced it's only people, bad people causing all the chaos.

Think of humans as puppets with a choice, but puppets nonetheless. Every living soul has two choices, just two, and there is no opting out of making a choice whether ones believes or likes that fact, doesn’t matter, it’s there regardless, it’s what we are with the who we are being a choice thru free will.
 
It IS all about affiliation, nothing else makes sense.

How so? muslims attack all 'people' regardless of religion. If there is an 'affiliation' then please feel free to point it out.

It is in the spiritual realm that everything is directed, sort of the control center. Of course those that foolishly believe we came from nothing and to nothing we end up are convinced it's only people, bad people causing all the chaos.

Did I state or infer that? If so then please clarify.

Think of humans as puppets with a choice, but puppets nonetheless. Every living soul has two choices, just two, and there is no opting out of making a choice whether ones believes or likes that fact, doesn’t matter, it’s there regardless, it’s what we are with the who we are being a choice thru free will.

You are skirting the issues when you really want to make a statement. Cut to the chase and this will be painless for us all.

B) UT

BTW,
I was a Baptist Deacon so I am not unfamiliar with your arguments.
 
How so? muslims attack all 'people' regardless of religion. If there is an 'affiliation' then please feel free to point it out.

They are being influenced by Satan and his minions, that simple. The spiritual realm is extremely powerful in it’s influence, confusion is a very effective tool used by the enmity.


Did I state or infer that? If so then please clarify.
You are skirting the issues when you really want to make a statement. Cut to the chase and this will be painless for us all.

B) UT

BTW,
I was a Baptist Deacon so I am not unfamiliar with your arguments.


Baptist Deacon and you are surprised at the obvious course taken by the Satan’s followers?


"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Ephesians 6:12 KJV)



Cut to the chase you say: Their God is Satan and anyone who doesn't agree to worship Satan needs eliminated. This is what it all comes down to, no intellectual great mind needed, just a finger pointing the way via Holy Spirit, which is accessed when one believes and seeks truth in God’s word. “According to your faith be it unto you“.
 
Yea, everyone else in the world is evil tyrants and you folks are peaceful law abiding and religious.

GMAFB!!!

:down: UT

Islamic Terrorist have carried out more than

5870

Deadly Terror Attacks since 9/11!

Islam, The Religion of Peace. :huh:
 
Wartime Leaders

Nations have fought wars against each other almost since the very beginning. However, one of the most significant differences in warfare at the present time, on one hand, and ancient and medieval times on the other, is that now, able-bodied heads of state who declare wars almost never actually lead their troops into battle, whereas in times before, able-bodied heads of state who declared wars almost always actually led their troops into battle. The modern-day soldier's saying, "our blood, his guts," referring to the "courage" of a "leader" who remains safely at home, was largely unknown. Wars used to be started, and fought, by true wartime leaders; now, they're started, but not fought, by politicians who don't have to personally witness, or risk being among, the carnage that they have ordered to happen. One can't help but wonder how much less war there might be if the politicians of today were required to actually enter harm's way along with the truly courageous men and women who are sent to do their fighting for them.

Wartime Leaders In Bible History

During Bible History, wars were started, and fought, by men who fully had the right to call themselves wartime leaders, such as:

Abraham


"When Abram heard that his kinsman had been taken captive, he led forth his trained men, born in his house, three hundred and eighteen of them, and went in pursuit as far as Dan. And he divided his forces against them by night, he and his servants, and routed them and pursued them to Hobah, north of Damascus." (Genesis 14:14-15 RSV)

King David


"Then all the tribes of Israel came to David at Hebron, and said, "Behold, we are your bone and flesh. In times past, when Saul was king over us, it was you that led out and brought in Israel; and The Lord said to you, 'You shall be shepherd of my people Israel, and you shall be prince over Israel.'"

"So all the elders of Israel came to the king at Hebron; and King David made a covenant with them at Hebron before The Lord, and they anointed David king over Israel."


When Jesus Christ returns, will He personally lead the "armies of heaven" into battle?
Revelation 19:11-1
 
How so? muslims attack all 'people' regardless of religion. If there is an 'affiliation' then please feel free to point it out.
Did I state or infer that? If so then please clarify.
You are skirting the issues when you really want to make a statement. Cut to the chase and this will be painless for us all.

B

Its all about political power and political influence using religion or "in the name of god" to contol the masses.
 
Its all about political power and political influence using religion or "in the name of god" to contol the masses.

I wish it were that easy but it is not.
If you believe that Islam is simply a political power, you might want to understand it a little more. No doubt the Imams and leaders are using the religion to incite terrorism and murder, but they believe that they are following the word of the Quran. IMHO, we cannot appease these people as they want nothing short of everyone being Muslim or dead. There is no middle ground. We have been looking for a way to appease these fanatics for years without success.

Having lived in SA, I do not want to wake up some morning listening to the shouts of ‘allah lakma’ over the loudspeaker in my neighborhood at Oh’dark thirty.

Five times a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year!

Call to Prayer

B) UT
 
True Wisdom and Worldly Wisdom

The English word wisdom is derived from an old Anglo-Saxon word meaning to see (hence also the origin of the term "I see" when one understands something). True wisdom is a moral quality, not necessarily a measure of intelligence i.e. there are some very intelligent people in the world who do some very unwise things, while conversely there are some people of lesser intellectual ability who have wisdom that is superior to people with supposedly greater intelligence (intelligence itself is manifested in two sometimes-conflicting forms, greater thinking power on one hand, and acquired knowledge on the other - activities that do not mean the same thing e.g. some worldly information-gathering government "intelligence" services have been known to do some very unintelligent things). In the Holy Bible, "wisdom" is used to translate the Hebrew word of the Old Testament (pronounced) kok-maw meaning to be wise in thought and deed, and the Greek word of the New Testament (pronounced) sof-ee-ah meaning clear, or wise. The Scriptures make plain that wisdom that is based upon the Word of God is the only true wisdom, while carnal "worldly" wisdom is nothing more than dead-end self-righteous vanity i.e. "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." (Proverbs 14:12 KJV) and "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." (1 Corinthians 3:19-20 KJV)

True Wisdom and Worldly Wisdom: What's The Difference?


Wisdom begins with living according to what God says is right:
"The fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do His Commandments" (Psalm 111:10 KJV)

With the beginning of wisdom (i.e. "The fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do His Commandments") will come more wisdom:
"For The Lord giveth wisdom: out of His mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: He is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. He keepeth the paths of Judgment and preserveth the way of His saints." (Proverbs 2:6-8 KJV)

The difference between true wisdom and worldly wisdom is that the first is of God, the other is of the Devil:
"But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the Truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." (James 3:14-17 KJV)

True wisdom (keeping in mind that wisdom means "to see"), based solely upon the spiritual Light of God's Word, is not widely appreciated in the world. It never has been, and never will be until What Satan Fears Most, The Return Of Jesus Christ happens and Christ will rule the world, all of it, in Truth and Righteousness. Until then, the wicked will hate God's Truth and Wisdom, like jackals lurking in the darkness, ever more fearing the Light as it grows brighter and brighter as the Day approaches:
"The fear of The Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Proverbs 1:7 KJV)

"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The Law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him." (Psalm 37:30-32 KJV)
"For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth Truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." (John 3:16-21 KJV)

Jesus Christ was filled with God's Wisdom, as was John The Baptist, The Elijah To Come, who prepared the way for His first coming:
"And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for The Lord." (Luke 1:17 KJV)

"And when He was come into his own country, He taught them in their Synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?" (Matthew 13:54 KJV)

Jesus Christ warned and encouraged His people, then, and now, that their God-given wisdom could not be overcome, even though they would face tribulation because of it:
"Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake." (Luke 21:14-17 KJV)
 
I wish it were that easy but it is not.
If you believe that Islam is simply a political power, you might want to understand it a little more. No doubt the Imams and leaders are using the religion to incite terrorism and murder, but they believe that they are following the word of the Quran. IMHO, we cannot appease these people as they want nothing short of everyone being Muslim or dead. There is no middle ground. We have been looking for a way to appease these fanatics for years without success.

Having lived in SA, I do not want to wake up some morning listening to the shouts of ‘allah lakma’ over the loudspeaker in my neighborhood at Oh’dark thirty.

Five times a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year!

Call to Prayer

B) UT

I have a different view than most write on this subject and in my view, I can understand the hate and fear on both sides.

The government wants the U.S to believe that if we don't fight them in IRAQ, they will come here. THat is the "new mantra" in order to justify the continuing war and presence in Iraq. You may think that I am citing a "liberal" view, but I'm neither.

I believe the U.S. view is that "these people" want the world to be Islam. I think they have been indoctrinated to believe that the West is evil and will destroy their way of life.

I am only citing what the media and has reported. I haven't lived there, haven't studied the Islam religtion, so I don't really know if we in the States are really getting the entire broad global story of what the "truth" is. Just as I believe the middle eastern muslim community don't know what the "truth" really is except what their political leaders indoctrinate.

Being in poverty, no job, and having no forseeable future except that they have been told that in martydim they will be heavenly rewarded. Who there is to teach and tell them differently. There is a civil war in IRAQ; like any other civil uprising, those sectarian radicals are fighting each other now over what I stated above...power and control of the country.

The leaders are not the ones strapping bombs to their bodies. They are getting the weak minded in their society to do this "in the name of god". I believe its more about political power, land, control than it is about religion. I believe that the U.S occupation in Afganistan and IRAQ has inflamed these extremists who believe the U.S is so arrogant to come in and destroy their cities for the sake of what our gov. views as freedom, liberty, democracy....or else.

I have a very good and close (U.S citizen) friend who just returned from Egypt after living there for 6 years and practicing medicine in a hosptital there. He said that what we see in the U.S and the media is not the full "truth". We as a people should do our best to discern the information and be critical of what we hear and what our leaders tell us is "truth".

I do know this, there is no way that the we ( the people) would tolerate any foreign occupation in our country, tanks on our streets and missles in our airspace. We in the U.S have no conceptulization of what that would be like. We have never been occupied. We can only imagine, and that thought alone angers us enough to inflame war and hate as a people and continue a war in Iraq.

The U.S. occupation that is reality in those countries inflame THEIR people with the same intensity, enough to inflame war and hate as a people.
 

The Cure For The Carnal Mind


"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you." (Romans 8:6-11 KJV)

The Process Of True Conversion


As the verses above clearly state, no one is truly a Christian without the Holy Spirit which makes conversion possible. From a Christian point of view, conversion means to turn, or change, from the world's way, that is, our own way, to God's Way. Truly change, not merely as a pretended state of mind, but as a genuine way of life - The Way to life, eternal life.

Repentance


Repentance is a change of mind, a vital part of conversion.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 4:17 RSV)
"they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance." (Acts 26:20 RSV)
"As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting; for you felt a Godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us. For Godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation and brings no regret, but worldly grief produces death. For see what earnestness this Godly grief has produced in you, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what zeal, what punishment! At every point you have proved yourselves guiltless in the matter." (2 Corinthians 7:9-11 RSV)
"The Lord is not slow about His promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." (2 Peter 3:9 RSV)
"unless you repent you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3 RSV)

Baptism

Baptism is an important act of conversion, so much so that Jesus Christ had Himself baptized by John The Baptist, not because He needed to repent of anything, but as an example to those who profess to be Christians.
"John would have prevented Him, saying, "I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?" But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now; for thus it is fitting for us to fulfil all righteousness." Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, He went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on Him; and lo, a voice from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, with Whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:14-17 RSV)
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38 RSV)
"Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of The Lord." (Acts 3:19 RSV)
"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were buried therefore with Him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of The Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with Him in a death like His, we shall certainly be united with Him in a resurrection like His. We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For he who has died is freed from sin. But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him." (Romans 6:3-8 RSV)
"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16 RSV)
The Holy Spirit
As the opening verses plainly say, "Any one who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him." (Romans 8:9 RSV)
"In Him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13-14 RSV)
"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth." (Acts 1:8 RSV)
"And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him." (Acts 5:32 RSV)
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom The Lord our God calls to Him." And he testified with many other words and exhorted them, saying, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation." (Acts 2:38 RSV)

A Lifelong Process

Conversion is a lifelong process in which Christians are expected to "grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 3:18). Although all Christians remain sinners (e.g. Romans 7:7-25 and 1 John 1:8-10), those who know better are expected to do better.
"For He will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, He will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury." (Romans 2:6-8 RSV)
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father Who is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16 RSV)
"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?"
"If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead."
"But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith."
"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe - and shudder."
"Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God."
"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
"And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead." (James 2:14-26 RSV)
 
A GREAT PLAN

Here's the plan:

1) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini and the rest of them 'good old boys'. We will never "interfere" again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No more sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself, don't hide here. Asylum would not ever be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers.

5) No "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self sufficient energy wise. This will include developing non-polluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else.

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere". They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if any anyway.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, it would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer.

Now, ain't that a winner of a plan ??
 

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