Company Proposal M&R 11-13-2010
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Buckky;
Thanks for the info. Does anyone know if it was accepted or rejected by the negotiating committee? Or will the full committee look at it tomorrow?
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I hope that it is rejected as completely unacceptable. The proposal looks remarkably the same as the crappy offer they made to extend the contract. Once again the offer is for lump sum payments as opposed to hourly wage increases. That means that at the end of the contract we are still exactly where we are today. I am curious as to whether the mediator determines that the company is still not bargaining in good faith and is merely trying to continue stalling and keep us under the same wages for as long as they can. The TWU has portrayed the mediator as a tough , no-nonsense kind of guy. We will now see if that portayal is accurate or just plain wishful thinking.
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Company must know the membership rejects the "working together" union busting plan and now want the language in the contract to protect the scam.
Why cannot the sell out union leadership see this for what it is?
Why cannot the sell out union leadership see this for what it is?
They are asking for a six year deal. DOS plus four. We are two years into this already. So in 2014 we would be making less than we were in 2002. With an average inflation rate of 3% we would be earning 52% less than we did in 2002. You would be working for less than half pay. So in reality your pension is nearly halved as well
We have moved from number 7 to number 8 in pay. USAIR got a 10% raise a short while ago.
Continental, USAIR, UAL have all gone BK and all will be earning more than us. So how are concessions outside of BK better than concessions inside BK?
I was also informed that Airtran now get $40/hr.
So just about all the Teamster represented mechanics in the industry earn or are asking for over $40/hr.
IBT UPS-in negotiations, currently earn in the mid$40s, rumor has it they are asking for $50
Continental-in negotiations, they already make more than us are asking for Mid $40
Air Tran recently settled, they are making $40/hr
UAL ???, unkown but this is the first IBT contract at UAL. The mechanics at UAL have already ousted the IAM and AMFA, if the IBT doesnt bring back $40+ they will likely be history as well.
So we will be sitting at $33, committed to making AA number one, while the guy across the ramp earns $10/more than doing the same thing we do, if we let the company have their way.
There is a "ME TOO" clause as well. Well its really a Keep me at nuymber eight in pay clause, but lets not forget how well the last "me too" clause worked (1995).
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Look on the bright side, at least they have broken the previous record by a twu negotiating committee for saying no to the company. :bleh: :bleh:
Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever saying no when there wasn't a card drive going on. :mf_boff:
Now will they ask for a release with the rejection of this turd at the next session is the big question.
On a side note, looks like the company lost another 3rd party contract. What did management do to piss off Allegiant?
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Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever saying no when there wasn't a card drive going on. :mf_boff:
Now will they ask for a release with the rejection of this turd at the next session is the big question.
On a side note, looks like the company lost another 3rd party contract. What did management do to piss off Allegiant?
Allegiant
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They probably treated Allegiant in the same manner that they treat their employees!Look on the bright side, at least they have broken the previous record by a twu negotiating committee for saying no to the company. :bleh: :bleh:
Come to think of it, I don't recall them ever saying no when there wasn't a card drive going on. :mf_boff:
Now will they ask for a release with the rejection of this turd at the next session is the big question.
On a side note, looks like the company lost another 3rd party contract. What did management do to piss off Allegiant?
Allegiant
TIME FOR CHANGE
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Another 4 years is INSANITY
No hourly wage increase F U
No retire medical F U
BASICALLY F U
No hourly wage increase F U
No retire medical F U
BASICALLY F U
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I guess it's probably inconceivable to many of you that AAR simply provided better service? They've been doing DOD overhauls for years, so I can't wait to hear y'all call them a chop shop, too...
I'm told Danny Martinez is working for AAR now -- maybe he had a good enough relationship with Allegiant they were willing to give AAR a shot at their business.
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It's not a issue whether they are a chop shop. It's a matter of the MRO management not being able to do thier jobs.
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AA MRO management that is.
I worked at AAR briefly. So yea its inconcievable. Component overhaul in Garden City New York. Chop shop would be an accurate description. Zero training, throw a part in front of you, maybe give you a schematic and say go for it. On the emergency light power supplies they reused the metal strips that bonded the batteries together and soldered them on instead of spot welding them because they were too cheap to buy the strips and a spot welder. The failure rate out of stock was very high.
Getting back on topic.
The offer is basically the company's way of stalling and lowering expectations. I think they are looking to see if they get any sort of reaction that they can use in court, you know "Secret passwords" like "INSULT"!!! Dont they know a watched pot never boils? Besides its cold outside.
We are now number eight out of ten carriers, twice BK USAIR even makes more than us now.
We, the AMTs are the only workgroup at AA that isnt trying to either reach or raise the bar, if you compare what our coworkers make compared to other carriers none of them are near the bottom, except AMTs. None of them are as far from the top as we are. This goes for the Freighters as well so it throws out that arguement. For instance our stock clerks are within a dollar of what a stock clerk at Fed Ex makes yet we are around $7/hr less than a mechanic.
We need to also consider that "the bar" was lowered industrwide by a wide margin seven years ago and pushed even lower through inflation. So our coworkers are doing the right thing by trying to pick up the bar a little. We on the other hand seem intent on lowering it even more! Apparently 40% isnt enough.
The company only chooses to show eight but who ever heard of comparing the top eight when there's 10? Does David Lettermen have a Top Eight segment? No he has a Top Ten. UPS and Fed Ex need to be included as well but its obvious why they arent, because they make more than us, we are included by Fed Ex when they make comparasions to their workers though.
Another problem is that the companys charts are way off, first off it lists base wages not full max up. SWA tops out at around $45, not $36, AirTran is making $40 as well ($37 plus $3 license) not $31. If the IBT got AirTran $40 you know they are going to do even better at Continental and United. Lets find out where UAL/IBT is headed, besides who wants to walk a picket line in March , June sounds better to me.
