Cuts OKd in retirees' health benefits

[novaqt]

If you want to know how a single payer or socialized medicine will work, check out the link below. Its worth watching.


http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

 

[KCFlyer]

The government will end up playing God and decide who lives and who dies if this is allowed to happen. This will end up as Senior genocide in America.

Currently the insurance companies play God and decides who lives and dies, or goes bankrupt trying to live. This IS not only Senior genocide...there are 40 year olds who are condemned to death because an insurance company is not willing to pay for their treatment - it's either "pre existing" or "experimental" or something that will "force" them to deny the care.

If somebody is going to "play God", I would prefer it to be someone who is not beholden to "shareholders". Just look at what companies that are beholden to shareholders have done already...look at the airline industry for goodness sake. They make decisions without regard for the personal well being of "liabilities" like employees. Every person covered by a for profit insurance company is nothing more than a "potential liability" waiting to be cut.

 

[local 12 proud]

OK.."12", I've got a "mixed bag" of responses for you.

On one hand, your correct...that "too much Govt....in TOO many places, definitely has draw backs"

But to KCF's point about Canadian Health care"..................Over all ..IT IS better than what WE have here.."ON A WHOLE"..as far as the WHOLE country is concerned.

AND, "Even YOU" would have come away from seeing ..SICKO....agreeing with some of the points "MM" was making....And it just wasn't about Canada Only(think Great Briton)

Careful what you wish for Bears!

The Prime Minister claimed the self-care agenda was about increasing patient choice and "personalised" services.

advertisementBut an internal Government document seen by The Daily Telegraph makes clear that the policy is a money-saving measure, a key plank of DoH plans to cut costs.

Critics claimed the plan would provide doctors with an excuse for ignoring the elderly or those with debilitating, but not life-threatening long-term conditions, and would not work without significant investment in community health services.

The Arthritis Research Campaign said it risked providing health managers with "an excuse for neglecting elderly patients".

Jane Tadman, a spokesman for the charity, said: "Arthritis is already too low down the priority list and the fact that this is being mooted as a money-saving measure is very worrying.

"Some GPs don't take arthritis seriously enough, and the result of this could be to give them another excuse to tell arthritis patients just to go away and take their tablets."

"We are all for better-informed patients," said Katherine Murphy, a spokesman. "But it is a concern that financial pressures will take precedence over clinical needs."

Peter Weissberg, the medical director of the British Heart Foundation, said: "People affected by heart disease need specialist care. Whilst we support changes that empower people to look after their own health, we would be very concerned if they led to any reduction in the availability or quality of expert care for those who need it."

After years of record spending, the health service is facing a sharp slow-down as Mr Brown tries to curb soaring government borrowing.

Englands cure is to heal thyself

...my ex wife has had rheumatoid arthritis since she was 19...OOPS...preexisting condition.

waiting times

I would bet you a dollar to a donut that under "socialized medicine", you wouldn't wait any longer than you do today for medical services

 

[KCFlyer]

Careful what you wish for Bears!
waiting times

My ex has been waiting 30 years so far. There's been something that could help her out since 1993 - but the insurance won't pay unless she's had a joint replacement. The arthritis is in her feet, and she HAS had a toe joint replaced, but the insurer doesn't consider the toe joint to be significant enough. And they won't pay for a knee replacement (one of the joints that is covered that would allow for the treatment) since that's not where her problem lies. So - I didn't see anything in that article that said wait times would increase for 15 years (when the treatment was made available in the US). I'd say a four month wait is better than a 15 year wait...wouldn't you?

 

[local 12 proud]

My ex has been waiting 30 years so far. There's been something that could help her out since 1993 - but the insurance won't pay unless she's had a joint replacement. The arthritis is in her feet, and she HAS had a toe joint replaced, but the insurer doesn't consider the toe joint to be significant enough. And they won't pay for a knee replacement (one of the joints that is covered that would allow for the treatment) since that's not where her problem lies. So - I didn't see anything in that article that said wait times would increase for 15 years (when the treatment was made available in the US). I'd say a four month wait is better than a 15 year wait...wouldn't you?

So then it is your belief that NHC will cover everything from wart removal right up to a multi organ transplant and everything in between?

If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait til you see what it costs when its free.

 

[KCFlyer]

So then it is your belief that NHC will cover everything from wart removal right up to a multi organ transplant and everything in between?

If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait til you see what it costs when its free.

I would think that Health care will cover rheumatoid arthritis...especially in young people. I suppose we could have paid for the treatment that came out in 1993...but it was and still is over $15,000 per year - due in large part to the hundreds of millions that were spent advertising the boner pill. I would think that it would cover things to improve the quality of life. I wouldn't expect it to cover "elective surgery" especially plastic surgery - except in cases of a disfigurement by birth or accident. I wouldn't expect it to cover sex changes. I certainly wouldn't expect it to cover boner pills, since that's just as much a lifestyle choice as a tummy tuck.

I certainly think that they US can have a system that is better than what we have...it's a far cry from "the best in the world". Our mortality rate is below some third world countries.

Yep...we'd pay with some tax...but you know, a pack of cigarettes that sells for $4 has about $3.50 worth of taxes added on. None of that tax money goes to any kind of health care - MAKE it go to health care. Booze kills a liver - add a "health tax" to it. Mickey D's is selling burgers that are 600 calories all by themselves - more if you have fries...add a health tax to that (obesity is a bigger problem than smoking). In other words...a "users fee" for folks whose lifestyles will make them more likely to need the services of a doctor.

 

[local 12 proud]

If you are serious about having government run healthcare, just pay a visit to a county hospital, its appalling to say the least.

BTW....while some Americans are wishing for socialized medicine such as our neighbor to the north has , seems there are those in Canada wishing for a system like ours.

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care

 

[KCFlyer]

If you are serious about having government run healthcare, just pay a visit to a county hospital, its appalling to say the least.

BTW....while some Americans are wishing for socialized medicine such as our neighbor to the north has , seems there are those in Canada wishing for a system like ours.

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care

Why, here's another story that is critical of Canadian health care, although even in this story there is this :

Despite the financial burden, Canadians value their Medicare as a marker of egalitarianism and independent identity that sets their country apart from the United States, where some 45 million Americans lack health insurance.

Raisa Deber, a professor of health policy at the University of Toronto, believes Canada's system is one of the world's fairest.

"Canadians are very proud of the fact that if they need care, they will get care," she said. Of the United States, she said: "I don't understand how they got to this worship of markets, to the extent that they're perfectly happy that some people don't get the health care that they need."

No system is perfect...including the USA's system - or lack thereof.

 

[local 12 proud]

No system is perfect...including the USA's system - or lack thereof.

Thats true KC, and I never alluded to the notion that our system is perfect, but I still think it beats what you are proposing.

Take care,

Local 12