Delta Loss As Expected

WorldTraveler

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Dec 5, 2003
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Delta's 1st quarter numbers certainly aren't anything to crow about but there are some encouraging signs. No, this isn't pollyanna speaking.

Non-fuel costs are coming down although fuel is very much a part of the airline business. It does say that the transformation plan is underway.

There was positive cash flow including additional lending. Debt and pension benefits were paid during the quarter.

Charges do constitute a significant portion of the total loss and must be separated out.

Unit revenue growth is at the back of the pack for the industry but is expected since DL is adding capacity as part of its plan to reduce unit costs but most of the capacity is being added in the highly competitive (fare depressed) east coast.

Revenue should be increasing through the summer due to very strong traffic throughout the industry and a number of fare increases during the past couple months.

DL reported CASM using a number of exclusions - one of which excludes pension costs. Not sure of the motive but it could be DL is trying to show its costs relative to US and UA which have partial or complete pension terminations. One of Georgia's senators just co-sponsored legislation that would reduce the solvent four legacies' pension costs by spreading out catch up funding.

In summary, DL clearly is making progress but there is much more to go, particularly since fuel is and will be a significant component of the cost equation. DL and the whole industry needs a strong summer but cost control will have to kick up another notch going into the fall. Given that DL is largely non-union, they have the opportunity to implement changes faster than other carriers. When in survival mode, all factors have to be considered.

The US-HP merger discussions show that it does not take a great balance sheet to be supported by investors in merger discussions. DL, like HP, doesn't have a very pretty balance sheet but could very well play an active role in consolidation if it succeeds in getting costs down. Based on DL's report which reflects just three months of their transformation plan, costs will continue to come down throughout the year and at least match what other cost conscious legacies like AA and CO have. However, outright mergers are not as necessary as close marketing and operational coordination - not unlike what existed in the industry between majors before deregulation.
 
I just want to know if we all get a special group sticker or stamp when we join the other BK carriers this fall. I am really looking forward to learning the secret handshake. :p
 
Wow. DAL will have to restructure in BK. The debt load is too high and revenue way too small. Fuel will not come below $50.00. Fares will remain low. Outside ATL, the DAL route structure is too weak. SLC and CVG are weak hub cities that reley on connecting traffic and very little international O/D. Not to mention too many RJ's with high CASM's and a very uncomfortable product on stages greater than 1 hour.

DAL has only one flight to Asia (ATL-NRT) and has a tiny operation in the U.K. (LGW). Ron Allen blew when he bought Pan Am w/o LHR. DAL can't compete internationally w/ AA out of JFK when their new terminal is built. W/ the acquired TWA slots, AA will soon blanket all of the DAL European cities plus LHR. Lastly, Song offers more leg room, better food, and quality entertainment for a cheaper price than mainline DAL. Imagine, you pay less for more and more for less on mainline. This company is in structural and financial ruin. Sorry to be so negative, but a reality check is some of the toughest medicine.
 
Wow! What a shocking number. A billion dollars in three months!!!! Even when you consider the fuel and the charges - both of which are significant - this is a very ugly situation. Even if fuel were at a more reasonable level - say $45/barrel -this would have been a disastrous quarter. I don't know what it will take to turn this ship around, but it looks like DL will be in for much the same type of pain that US and UA have endured over the past couple of years. I hate to see anyone go through that, but what other alternatives are there?
 
Yes so so true, especially the last paragraph. However, try convicing the DIEHARD DELTIODS this! They just wont believe it, most have their headed buried in the sand thinkin everything at DELTA is business as usual.. Sorry guys, wake up call before u find urselves extinct!!!
HGIEFOswitch said:
Wow. DAL will have to restructure in BK. The debt load is too high and revenue way too small. Fuel will not come below $50.00. Fares will remain low. Outside ATL, the DAL route structure is too weak. SLC and CVG are weak hub cities that reley on connecting traffic and very little international O/D. Not to mention too many RJ's with high CASM's and a very uncomfortable product on stages greater than 1 hour.

DAL has only one flight to Asia (ATL-NRT) and has a tiny operation in the U.K. (LGW). Ron Allen blew when he bought Pan Am w/o LHR. DAL can't compete internationally w/ AA out of JFK when their new terminal is built. W/ the acquired TWA slots, AA will soon blanket all of the DAL European cities plus LHR. Lastly, Song offers more leg room, better food, and quality entertainment for a cheaper price than mainline DAL. Imagine, you pay less for more and more for less on mainline. This company is in structural and financial ruin. Sorry to be so negative, but a reality check is some of the toughest medicine.
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;) ;)
 
WorldTraveler said:
The US-HP merger discussions show that it does not take a great balance sheet to be supported by investors in merger discussions.
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They don't have support yet. They are still trying to line up $500M to ATTEMPT to get this thing done. This is a long way from a done deal.
 
This will put a squash to any kool-aid drinker. CNBC rates DAL as a 1. 10 is the highest investment rating. Independence Air comes in at a 3. What does that say??? Check it out yourself. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/srs/s....asp?Symbol=DAL W/o a doubt, the financial community has absolutely no confidence in the current management and the overall direction of Delta Airlines. Maybe it's time for G.G. to rid this company of its RJ disease. Oh but wait, another 10 are being deliverd to Comair..........



Comair Announces 10 Growth Aircraft

President Fred Buttrell sent all Comair employees the following memo regarding growth aircraft:


Fred made the announcement in a meeting with employees in the general office.




Today I am pleased to announce that Delta has decided to contract with Comair for additional flying that will add 10 CRJ200 aircraft to our fleet. This news puts Comair back on a growth track and gives us the ability to begin adding new flights and employees. As I have communicated to you in recent months, Comair's ability to grow again has been achieved by our continued focus on addressing competitive gaps in our cost structure and improving our operation and service quality.

We will begin phasing the 50-seat aircraft into our schedule this June with all 10 joining the Comair fleet by the end of this year or early 2006. Based on current network plans, the first jets will operate between destinations in Florida and other key regional markets.

Evaluations continue for additional 70-seat flying opportunities. Decisions on specific aircraft type, delivery schedules, etc., depend on securing the right aircraft costs, aircraft financing, and being able to offer competitive operating costs.

All members of our team, from employees joining the company today to our 25-year veterans, remain instrumental in Comair's ability to secure more flying opportunities in the future. People in every area of the company have stepped up by making difficult decisions that help the company pursue a winning growth strategy. Maintaining this collective approach is important to our long-term success and to making our airline a great place to work.

New airplanes mean increased accountability for us to deliver on our focus areas of improved operational reliability and ensuring customer service excellence. We have two sets of customers - the traveling public who flies on our jets and Delta. By delivering safe, reliable, friendly and helpful service 1,130 departures a day in a cost-effective manner, we serve both customers. No regional carrier is guaranteed flying opportunities by virtue of ownership or reputation. As my old college football coach said, "You are only as good as your last play and you have to earn your position every day." This makes it imperative that we keep winning and delivering on initiatives to improve operations and customer service, and cultivate a culture that stresses servant leadership and treating each other and our customers well. A working timeline of corporate initiatives showing how we are going to accomplish this can be found on EPIC along with this memorandum.

Today's growth aircraft announcement is an important victory for Comair and huge turnaround from the company's low point in December, but it represents only one theater of battle in a campaign with many challenges to come. Winning makes work fun, success begets success, and today's victory gives us some welcome tailwind to help us do these things. It takes all of us working together and respecting each other to produce the Comair solution. Today's news is at least one indication that we are headed along the right path, especially when you consider how far we have come in a few short months. Imagine how much farther we can go if we maintain our momentum and focus.

Thank you for helping us fly, serve and win.
 
North by Northwest said:
"Wow! What a shocking number. A billion dollars in three months" Two words...Pan American.(kinda scary how karma will bite you in the a$$ sooner or later)
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After reading Northwest's earnings release yesterday, I would venture to say you are not far behind.
 
NAPAUS said:
Yes so so true, especially the last paragraph. However, try convicing the DIEHARD DELTIODS this! They just wont believe it, most have their headed buried in the sand thinkin everything at DELTA is business as usual.. Sorry guys, wake up call before u find urselves extinct!!! ;) ;)
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Who has there head buried in the sand? What do you propose the employees do? The losses being incurred by the industry today are unsubstainable for all the majors. NW, CO, etc..., will all soon follow DL into BK if things don't change. If you are just here to DL bash, I think you are the one in denial.
 
HGIEFOswitch said:
Wow. DAL will have to restructure in BK. The debt load is too high and revenue way too small. Fuel will not come below $50.00. Fares will remain low. Outside ATL, the DAL route structure is too weak. SLC and CVG are weak hub cities that reley on connecting traffic and very little international O/D. Not to mention too many RJ's with high CASM's and a very uncomfortable product on stages greater than 1 hour.

DAL has only one flight to Asia (ATL-NRT) and has a tiny operation in the U.K. (LGW). Ron Allen blew when he bought Pan Am w/o LHR. DAL can't compete internationally w/ AA out of JFK when their new terminal is built. W/ the acquired TWA slots, AA will soon blanket all of the DAL European cities plus LHR. Lastly, Song offers more leg room, better food, and quality entertainment for a cheaper price than mainline DAL. Imagine, you pay less for more and more for less on mainline. This company is in structural and financial ruin. Sorry to be so negative, but a reality check is some of the toughest medicine.
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Very accurate post. Couldn't agree more. Many of DL's current problems can be traced back to Ron Allen. IMO, he did more to destroy the "old Delta" , than the current economic environment.
 
I wish you the best of luck moving forward. I have a lot of friends at DAL. While management obsessed about RJ deliveries, AAI, B6, and LUV moved into the East Coast and set up profitable mainline operations. These LLC's now offer a solid product that consumers enjoy. I guess mangement can now celebrate winning the scope battle w/ mainline pilots. :huh:
 
The pension issue is the single issue that will decide whether DL moves to bankruptcy or not. There really is no advantage for DL or the creditors (and instead a lot of potential damage) by restructuring most other debt in bankruptcy. However, there is no present way to restructure pension benefits outside of bankruptcy. I can't help but think that part of the reason DL cannot allow itself to post improvements in its financials is to make sure that the government gets the message that they will inherit $5B or more of DL pension obligations if they don't give DL what it really wants - restructured pension benefits. Let's not underestimate the damage that has been to UA and US as a result of their pension terminations. Mr. Grinstein would love to be able to successfully restructure DL outside of bankruptcy but it will only happen if DL can deal w/ all of its large issues in at least as equitable of a manner as UA and US are doing inside of bankruptcy. Until this issue is resolved, DL will continue to bleed red ink. It is no surprise that NW's financials are as bad as they are since they are #2 on the hit parade at the PBGC help desk.
Let's also not forget that DL's restructuring is not even three months old. Many of the cost reductions associated w/ certain strategies - such as closing DFW as a hub - were only partially completed during the quarter.
 
Let's also not forget that DL's restructuring is not even three months old. Many of the cost reductions associated w/ certain strategies - such as closing DFW as a hub - were only partially completed during the quarter. " Yeah, we are just waiting to see all the revenue roll in from the "Simply dumb-a$$ fares". Those stupid fares have done ALMOST as much damage as having two majors in bk. :down: