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After this most recent "plot" ,uncovered by our UK neighbors, that ;

This F---ING Adminisration, will divert all the BILLIONS of $$$$'s from Iraq, and use it for "fool proof" transportation security.

Airports/Ships and Containers/Amtrak/subways/Bridges and tunnels etc, etc ???

(AND this goes for the next administration in '08, whoever it may be) !!!!!!

NH/BB's

ps,

I saw "WTC" at the movies last night.
It was (sadly) done VERY accurate, and to the point. No politics involved !
 
You do realize that countries in the Middle East have little meaning in this issue. It is a Race and a Religion we are at war with and they are everywhere. Most of those goverments have little to no control; Except the ones where the radicals actualy rule.
 
Just say Rudy Guliani on the news and he knows the enemy better than any of us! He just said Goerge Ws war with Iraq has absolutely kept us from having more attacks on US soil! That being on the offense is critical in the war on terror.
I think you are probably one of the ones that think US and Isreal are cuasing the problems and that if we just negotiated or let the UN fix things all will be ok?
Let get real it is kill or be killed those are the only real political solutions to terrorism!
 
Just say Rudy Guliani on the news and he knows the enemy better than any of us! He just said Goerge Ws war with Iraq has absolutely kept us from having more attacks on US soil! That being on the offense is critical in the war on terror.
I think you are probably one of the ones that think US and Isreal are cuasing the problems and that if we just negotiated or let the UN fix things all will be ok?
Let get real it is kill or be killed those are the only real political solutions to terrorism!

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I'll TELL YOU, what/who I support.

ISRAEL
A war in "AFGANISTAN"/Iran(if necessary), or N. Korea.
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I'll TELL YOU, what/who i DON'T support.

Liars like BUSH !
A war in IRAQ !!


NH/BB's
 
Just say Rudy Guliani on the news and he knows the enemy better than any of us! He just said Goerge Ws war with Iraq has absolutely kept us from having more attacks on US soil! That being on the offense is critical in the war on terror.
I think you are probably one of the ones that think US and Isreal are cuasing the problems and that if we just negotiated or let the UN fix things all will be ok?
Let get real it is kill or be killed those are the only real political solutions to terrorism!


That reminds me of Team america: World police When hans blix comes in and tells kim jong ll that they will be angry with him and then write him letters tellin him how angry they are. lol
 
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I'll TELL YOU, what/who I support.

ISRAEL
A war in "AFGANISTAN"/Iran(if necessary), or N. Korea.
---------------------------------------------------------
I'll TELL YOU, what/who i DON'T support.

Liars like BUSH !
A war in IRAQ !!
NH/BB's
<_< ---- Bear! I agree with you, "But!" Have you ever heard the saying: "He's got a tiger by the tail?" I agree that we never should have been there in the first place,"But", now that we are, I feel it would be disastrous to "Cut and run!" Remember, I'm a Viet Nam Vet, and to this day I can't believe we haven't learned anything from those who gave their lives in that conflict! You just can't stick your head in the sand, and hope it'll go away! It won't! Like the man said "It's a dangerous world out there!" And I'm afraid it has gone well beyond the point where we can just "bring the troops home" and everything will suddenly be all right!! I really wish it wasn't so! I'm afraid the only thing we can do is deal with it!! With a$$ holes out there trying to blow our aircraft out of the sky, what else can we do??? :angry: And I still contend that Flt.800 was the first blow against the American people, not the Towers! And that my friend was a President of another party that lied to us!!!!
 
I have a question for the “we should not cut and run folksâ€￾. If there was an occupying force in the US, how long do you think we would fight to free our country? Do you think we would give up after 4 years? How about 10 years …. 20…. Ever? Viet-Nam or Iraq, same thing IMO. They (right or wrong is irrelevant) are fighting for their countries freedom. What makes you think they are any different from us as far as their persistence or drive is concerned? At what point do you say that the end game is no longer worth the cost in human lives, money and international respect?

Viet Nam was a guerrilla war, just as Iraq is. I am guessing that had we not pulled out, we would still be there with another N. Korea on our hands and to what end?

In my opinion, war is the result of a failure in leadership in 99% of the cases. I think there would have been a good chance of avoiding WWII had Germany not been eviscerated by the Treaty of Versailles. The country was left to ruin out of spite and hatred. The people latched on to a class I nut job and that caused the worst conflict in the history of the world.

The war in Iraq will not do crap for our security, it will not do anything but cause a broader conflict.

Those that argue that we have not had an attack against us need to open their eyes. We just did, this one just happened to fail. The US cannot look everywhere all the time. Statistically, we will loose at some time. It’s just a matter of when.
 
I have a question for the “we should not cut and run folksâ€￾. If there was an occupying force in the US, how long do you think we would fight to free our country? Do you think we would give up after 4 years? How about 10 years …. 20…. Ever? Viet-Nam or Iraq, same thing IMO. They (right or wrong is irrelevant) are fighting for their countries freedom. What makes you think they are any different from us as far as their persistence or drive is concerned? At what point do you say that the end game is no longer worth the cost in human lives, money and international respect?

Viet Nam was a guerrilla war, just as Iraq is. I am guessing that had we not pulled out, we would still be there with another N. Korea on our hands and to what end?

In my opinion, war is the result of a failure in leadership in 99% of the cases. I think there would have been a good chance of avoiding WWII had Germany not been eviscerated by the Treaty of Versailles. The country was left to ruin out of spite and hatred. The people latched on to a class I nut job and that caused the worst conflict in the history of the world.

The war in Iraq will not do crap for our security, it will not do anything but cause a broader conflict.

Those that argue that we have not had an attack against us need to open their eyes. We just did, this one just happened to fail. The US cannot look everywhere all the time. Statistically, we will loose at some time. It’s just a matter of when.
<_< --- I have a question for you! What do you think would happen to Iraq if we pulled out today? The country is on the edge of civil war man! And what would happen the next time we had to defend ourselves? You think it's soooo easy! Just bring the troops home, and every thing will be just super!!! NOT! What do you think Iran would do if we did? North Korea? It's just a matter of time until they'll have missles that will be able to land in your back yard! Oh yea! everything would be just peachy!!! This isn't Viet Nam! It's the whole damn radical Islamic movement we're talking about! What would it do to Israel if we cut and run? We're not playing games here! :angry: These people arn't just going to go away even if we did! I know the whole situation sucks! But there it is! I guess what I'm asking is how do you let go of that tiger's tail, and still survive the consequences? That my friend is what we used to say is the $24,000 Question!
 
As far as I can tell, Iraq will implode whether we stay or leave. Right now it is just a matter of how many lives we are willing to sacrifice. Defend our selves? Who are we defending our selves from? The Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11. W went in to distract the country from his failed domestic policy and to finish what his father did not. The only entity that has attacked us was Al Queda, they were based in Afghanistan and that mess is not even ‘fixed’. Since we removed the SOB from Iraq and there is no one else to replace him, I ran will move right in. The Western powers are unable to control Iraq much less change their way of life so I am really not sure what you think the end game is. The west cannot expect to walk into a region with 4,000 years of history and expect to change it at the point of a gun. As far as Israel is concerned, they will be fighting the Arabs long after you and I are dead. Our pulling out of Iraq will have little if any effect on that conflict.

I guess I look at the conflict with a different analogy. I look at it this way. We are in a forest and we have a lantern going. The light from the lantern is all that is keeping the critters in the forest away from us. We can see them every now and then at the perimeter. We are getting very sleepy because we can not sleep at night. The power for the lantern will, at some point run out. We know that and the critters no that. When the power runs out, it’s game on. I say when sun up comes, we get the hell out of dodge while we can.

Well over 2,000 troops have been killed, countless more have critical injuries, how many more do you want to sacrifice to obtain a goal that may or may not be obtainable. We should have left Sadam in place. He was a SOB but he was their SOB, now there is no one with the balls to run the store.


Now, you answer my question. How long do you thik it will be till they admit defeat?
 
Cutting and running is just what they want and expect. That's exactly why liberals are not the ones to trust to handle national security.
 
Cutting and running is just what they want and expect. That's exactly why liberals are not the ones to trust to handle national security.


So why should we stay? What is the end game? Democracy in Iraq? Hell, even W has admitted that ain't going to happen. How many lives are you willing to sacrifice?

Only a fool could believe that you could just march in and expect to change a culture with over 4,000 years of history and a hatred of every thing western. Your boy in the white house has lied so many times even his own party is starting to break away. His approval ratings are in the basement. He is history and we will be stuck cleaning up his mess for decades to come.
 
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I'll TELL YOU, what/who I support.

ISRAEL
A war in "AFGANISTAN"/Iran(if necessary), or N. Korea.
---------------------------------------------------------
I'll TELL YOU, what/who i DON'T support.

Liars like BUSH !
A war in IRAQ !!
NH/BB's
HEARD CHUCKIE SCHUMER DOING THE DEM WAA-WAA ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO FLY LIKE THE BLUE BLOOD HE THINKS HE IS....MAYBE DUBYA SAVED HIS DEM ARSE??/ :lol:
 
Cutting and running is just what they want and expect. That's exactly why liberals are not the ones to trust to handle national security.

Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. :blink:
Staying a failed "course" is insane, and just the reason why Americans are fed up with wingnuts and their enablers clinging to a failed, neocon-job folly. A global war on terrorists requires that our forces be able to deploy, (pay attention, now, I'll type slowly) GLOBALLY as required, properly equipped, which they can not do while bogged down in Iraq, a diversion and obstacle to fighting real terrorism.

But don't believe me, listen to the dozens and dozens of military professionals and intelligence and law enforcement experts who have counseled the same thing. Our national security interests are not well served by being held hostage to neocon (most of whom are also chickenhawks) posturing. Saddam is gone, there are/were no WMDs, and Iraq has an elected government. There is nothing else to be gained for us in Iraq, if there ever was. Time to re-deploy.

So tell us, having triggered civil war in Iraq, handing Iran a "Shiite Crescent" wrapped in a bow, how many more dead and wounded Americans and Iraqis will it take till your bloodlust is quenched? Tell us what this "course" is we are supposed to stay? All we hear are regurgitated wingnut talking points trying to prop up what is clearly a failed policy! Conservatives can only be trusted to use the 9/11 victims as political props to further their agenda of endless war(and war profiteering) while allowing terrorism to flourish again in Afghanistan(remember them?) and Pakistan. By the way, where is Osama?

All while abusing our troops through "stop-loss" orders and multiple re-deployments into combat zones, not to mention failing to provide them with proper armor and equipment, taking National Guard units out of their home states leaving those states unable to cope with disasters like Katrina and Rita. Support our Troops - stop getting them killed for no good reason!

Don't dare try to feed us that "we're fighting them over there in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here" crap. My answer to that is Madrid, London, and the most recent foiled plot which appears to be linked to our great "ally", nuclear-armed Pakistan. Shouldn't we invade them now, oh brave fighting keyboardists? Find a new dog, cause that one don't hunt!

Answer me yes or no, were any 9/11 hijackers from Iraq?
I'll make it easy for you, the answer is "no". However, most of them were from another great "ally", Saudi Arabia, which continues to use its oil revenues to spread terror and hatred of the West. Why didn't we invade them? Maybe we should follow the oil-money trail and we'll find out that it leads right back to the loudest war cheerleaders.

Those who are thinking clearly and paying attention to reality recognize that the most recent terrorist plots have been foiled by good intelligence and law enforcement, not infantry battalions. Going after flies with sledgehammers just doesn't work, and just may create so much chaos that a real terrorist attack can slip through unnoticed. Not to mention creating new jihadis by the score by playing right into the "crusaders invading Muslim countries" meme.

So, what do you say? Conservatives are clearly willing to gamble with America's security and have shown that they can't be trusted. Tell us why you are willing to risk our security by not catching the next terrorist attack because our resources have been diverted to crusading in Iraq or Iran? Don't bother to answer with the same old tired garbage, even ol' Deadeye Dick and Dubya have found out that the mojo has worn off of it...
 
You do realize that countries in the Middle East have little meaning in this issue. It is a Race and a Religion we are at war with and they are everywhere. Most of those goverments have little to no control; Except the ones where the radicals actualy rule.

For that very reason, the U.S. tax $$ should be spent securing OUR bordors , and transportation.

IRAQ will not maintain any kind of semblance of stability. Just like Lebanon. These gov. are not strong enough and will never have that kind of resource to remain strong without the Tax $$ of the U.S.

Huzboulla is an example of how a military faction created outside of the Lebanon cabnet can come into complete control and power. And Lebanon was suppose to a democracy according to the U.S???

A people can be easily influenced by money and that is where their alligence will go.
 
<_< --- I have a question for you! What do you think would happen to Iraq if we pulled out today? The country is on the edge of civil war man! And what would happen the next time we had to defend ourselves? You think it's soooo easy! Just bring the troops home, and every thing will be just super!!! NOT! What do you think Iran would do if we did? North Korea? It's just a matter of time until they'll have missles that will be able to land in your back yard! Oh yea! everything would be just peachy!!! This isn't Viet Nam! It's the whole damn radical Islamic movement we're talking about! What would it do to Israel if we cut and run? We're not playing games here! :angry: These people arn't just going to go away even if we did! I know the whole situation sucks! But there it is! I guess what I'm asking is how do you let go of that tiger's tail, and still survive the consequences? That my friend is what we used to say is the $24,000 Question!

Defend ourselves? In IRAQ? What are we doing in IRAQ? Did they attack us? What's your proof? Its a civil war now. Our invasion and continued presence there has created more hatred from around the world then at anytime in history that I have read. The U.S. would rather keep our troops in "harms way" then pull them out for the sake of admitting they made a poor judgement error.

Survive the consequences if we leave??? What about the consequences if we STAY???? I don't think you are looking hard enough in what is happening in IRAQ currently. This administration had no business being there.

I think if the majority of the people in this country take the time to comprehend this, it would be the first step in strategizing how to pull out.

Otherwise, you should just admit it....we will be in there for life. Hell, Bush should just declare them a state in the U.S!!! Maybe those folks can pay some taxes before they ABSORB the entire social security/MDC fund and the entire mational security budget...without putting one dime into it.
 

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