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How bad is it going to be? We'll see tomorrow...

Also, rumor has it that JBLU will defer deliveries of A320 aircraft, around 20 aircraft...Probably a smart move on their part.

SoftLanding
 
The smartest thing B6 could do tomorrow would be to announce a cancellation of its 190 order, the sale of its existing 190s, and a deferral of many of its new 320 orders. Too much growth, too fast, is generally the bane of new upstart airlines, and many of us predicted it would be a problem for B6. Many of us have been proven correct with last year's full year loss and the expected huge first quarter loss to be announced tomorrow.

If Neeleman doesn't do the three things I listed above, all bets are off and B6 will wish it had filed for reorganization prior to last October 17 (when the Ch 11 changes became effective).
 
The smartest thing B6 could do tomorrow would be to announce a cancellation of its 190 order, the sale of its existing 190s, and a deferral of many of its new 320 orders. Too much growth, too fast, is generally the bane of new upstart airlines, and many of us predicted it would be a problem for B6. Many of us have been proven correct with last year's full year loss and the expected huge first quarter loss to be announced tomorrow.

If Neeleman doesn't do the three things I listed above, all bets are off and B6 will wish it had filed for reorganization prior to last October 17 (when the Ch 11 changes became effective).


Rumor has it that the E190 are staying; smaller cities, higher yields/revenue 🙂

A320's maybe headed to Midwest Express...

Their 1st quarter results will be very interesting. Will they in fact do worse or better than the legacy carriers? Should be an interesting conf call...

SoftLanding
 
Rumor has it that the E190 are staying; smaller cities, higher yields/revenue 🙂

SoftLanding

Just a few issues with that strategy, and I'm not saying I disagree with it...

Shorter stage length = higher CASM
Smaller airplane = higher CASM
Smaller cities = more stations & fewer flts per station per day = less efficient use of personnel = higher CASM
Greater use of E-190s = more eggs in the basket of an airplane that has had teething trouble = slow (if any) improvement of abysmal operating indices (on time record) and
Lower utilization of E-190s = higher CASM

I recognize that the yields on the shorter hauls are quite good - I play a lot of statistical games with what WN does - but $70/bbl oil wreaks havoc on pretty much everything - short or long haul.

Neeleman did this backwards. Had he been as smart as he thinks he is, he would have started with short haul (like his upstate NY stuff) and then slowly proceeded to expand his participation in longer haul markets.

What he has done is run a long haul, ultra low cost airline with seat mile costs so low as to be almost incredible.

The problem is those costs came with really crummy yields.

The other problem is the costs have no place to go but up.

The stock and/or options that employees got have been rendered pretty much valueless.

New York City is not a cheap place to be domiciled and JetBlue employees are not compensated anywhere near well enough to stave off unionization attempts.

But we'll see what happens. Certainly, some change in their current strategy is a must if long term survival and prosperity is to be achieved.
 
Just a few issues with that strategy, and I'm not saying I disagree with it...

Shorter stage length = higher CASM
Smaller airplane = higher CASM
Smaller cities = more stations & fewer flts per station per day = less efficient use of personnel = higher CASM
Greater use of E-190s = more eggs in the basket of an airplane that has had teething trouble = slow (if any) improvement of abysmal operating indices (on time record) and
Lower utilization of E-190s = higher CASM

I recognize that the yields on the shorter hauls are quite good - I play a lot of statistical games with what WN does - but $70/bbl oil wreaks havoc on pretty much everything - short or long haul.

Neeleman did this backwards. Had he been as smart as he thinks he is, he would have started with short haul (like his upstate NY stuff) and then slowly proceeded to expand his participation in longer haul markets.

What he has done is run a long haul, ultra low cost airline with seat mile costs so low as to be almost incredible.

The problem is those costs came with really crummy yields.

The other problem is the costs have no place to go but up.

The stock and/or options that employees got have been rendered pretty much valueless.

New York City is not a cheap place to be domiciled and JetBlue employees are not compensated anywhere near well enough to stave off unionization attempts.

But we'll see what happens. Certainly, some change in their current strategy is a must if long term survival and prosperity is to be achieved.


Needleman and his team (and LUV, DAL etc. 😉 ) obviously thought US Airways would be gone, hence a larger airplane to start operation. (The 80-100 seat new generation aircraft were not available.)

Even though cost will be higher with the E190's, the smaller cities with less passengers will help JetBlue get back to making profits.

The prime example of this is US Airways. We fly to the ROA's/ELM's/ITH's, and those cities make us big $$$. And that is using mostly RJ's, on a guaranteed contract.

Also, re getting less use out of employees. JBLU are using contract employees below wing, above wing most employees are part-time, so that should not be a huge cost item.

I agree with flying to ultra-low yield markets. No room (or very little) for error; hurricanes/competition etc. That is a looser game, for sure.

Payscales/benefits are just about the same across the industry, except Southwest, so I'm not so sure that will be a huge problem, nor will be a union one day. Stock/options are under water, and that could destroy morale, but if/when the employees feel a plan is working, stock price will take care of itself.

If industry consolidation happens, why wouldn't they be a potential takover candidate? If foreign ownership rules are changed, wouldn't a BA or Lufthansa love to get their hands on a East Coast operation? (Even with their alliances!)

Interesting, nonetheless!

SoftLanding
 
The smartest thing B6 could do tomorrow would be to announce a cancellation of its 190 order, the sale of its existing 190s, and a deferral of many of its new 320 orders. Too much growth, too fast, is generally the bane of new upstart airlines, and many of us predicted it would be a problem for B6. Many of us have been proven correct with last year's full year loss and the expected huge first quarter loss to be announced tomorrow.

If Neeleman doesn't do the three things I listed above, all bets are off and B6 will wish it had filed for reorganization prior to last October 17 (when the Ch 11 changes became effective).


You're kidding right? How gracious of you to avail us of your sage advice. We'd be fools not to listen.
 
<Excluding fuel, CASM increased 6.7% year-over-year.>

I don't think investor's are going to like the above statement. When most carrier's are keeping their cost increases lower, this is a bit ominous. Hence the need for B6 to defer deliveries and sell a couple.

This tells me that unless the revenue estimates fall into place there will be more "bloodletting". I wish everyone well at B6. I think it'll be a rocky road ahead.

Cheers,
Z
 
<Excluding fuel, CASM increased 6.7% year-over-year.>

I don't think investor's are going to like the above statement. When most carrier's are keeping their cost increases lower, this is a bit ominous. Hence the need for B6 to defer deliveries and sell a couple.

This tells me that unless the revenue estimates fall into place there will be more "bloodletting". I wish everyone well at B6. I think it'll be a rocky road ahead.

Cheers,
Z

That CASM, viewed alone, is a negative. But reducing size and streamlining/rightsizing, it's probably not too out of line.

And their RASM should go up with the shorter/medium-haul flying. They are now forecasting a profit for 2006, with fuel at $2.10.

Got the feeling they are rethinking their EWR flying, Needleman talking about ATC delays all the time over there.

Overall a slight positive for the rest of the year.


SoftLanding
 
You're kidding right? How gracious of you to avail us of your sage advice. We'd be fools not to listen.

Are you David Neeleman? If not, don't take my criticism of his management failures so personally. B)

Today's announcement of slower A320 growth was long overdue, but unfortunately is too little, too late IMO.

Second quarter ex-fuel CASM expected to increase between 9% to 11% year over year? That's not sustainable.

Neeleman managed to quickly take a low fare, low cost carrier success story and turn it into just another airline startup story. And we all know how most of those end up.
 
...how many 320's are being used by the EWR operation? That could be the 2-5 they get rid of if the statement above is correct. If they lose in Q2, then what's the next step...
 
Are you David Neeleman? If not, don't take my criticism of his management failures so personally. B)

Today's announcement of slower A320 growth was long overdue, but unfortunately is too little, too late IMO.

Second quarter ex-fuel CASM expected to increase between 9% to 11% year over year? That's not sustainable.

Neeleman managed to quickly take a low fare, low cost carrier success story and turn it into just another airline startup story. And we all know how most of those end up.

Please don't misunderstand. I'm fine with your criticism of David Neeleman. I'm just not ready to have you run our airline either.
 
i hope that with the slower growth and a/c returns it dosen't mean that furloughs will be the outcome. i work for airways and we have been through our fare share. don't want to see no one lose thier job.
 
i hope that with the slower growth and a/c returns it dosen't mean that furloughs will be the outcome. i work for airways and we have been through our fare share. don't want to see no one lose thier job.

etops1,


Needleman stressed on the conf call that JetBlue had not furloughed any employees etc. etc., and it did not sound like it was in the cards.


SoftLanding
 
Sounds like the Legacy carrier's play book... shrink the airline to profitability...Isn't Jet blue to young to be acting like a Legacy carrier.... The airiline is to big for Neeleman, he should go. How can an airline be at about 6 CASM..loose money and talk about cost reduction?...how much lower CASM can they go?
 

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