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GoJet? Good grief. So that's Trans States new thing? All of these companies keep spawning off more like Gremlins.

So if Air Willy starts flying USX, at my count that would be six affiliates, two owned subsidiaries, a division and what's left of the actual airline flying as US Airways.

It would be good if AW was replacing the three affiliate RJ airlines, because it would standardize the product and aircraft more (both PSA and AWA operate CRJs), and undoubtfully offer a better operation and product. Not to mention US would only be paying one company fee per departure (at same or lower costs). But it certainly doesn't look like Chq's going anywhere, and US likes to make things as haphazard, complicated, and inconsistent as possible.

Also of interest, according to thier website, Air Wisconsin is holding four open houses for flight attendants in... Washington, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, and Raliegh Durham. Hmmm.
 
Light Years said:
GoJet? Good grief. So that's Trans States new thing? All of these companies keep spawning off more like Gremlins.

The whole GoJet thing is being done because AA's scope clauses prohibit the non-Eagle AA affiliates operating as AmericanConnection from operating jets with more than 50 seats. This is actually the same reason why Wexford/Republic is trying to operate the EMB-170 at Republic, rather than Chautauqua.
 
When U folds, what's Air Whiskey gonna do? The parasites won't have a host.
 
As US Airways’ transformation plan continues to unfold, it appears the business plan and disclosure statement could see lower costs associated with the affiliate carrier “fee for serviceâ€￾ contracts. The complex negotiations have multiple parties involved in the talks, which include at least US Airways, Air Wisconsin, Republic/Chautauqua, Mesa, TSA/GoJet, Skywest, and possibly others.

It appears from the column below that Air Wisconsin could place its 70 fifty-seat RJs into the US Airways network to replace Mesa Airlines and TSA, dependent upon the detailed negotiations.

In my opinion, these negotiations are positive for US Airways to lower its costs, improve the service in the entire network, and have Express partners who are more concerned about mainline profitability than the current three affiliate carriers.

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In my opinion, these detailed negotiations are likely the reason US Airways needed an extension for its exclusive right to file its plan of reorganization now scheduled no later than May 31, 2005.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
That's ok, AW will get it back when U hands over the mainline assets UA wants, and U is relegated to UA's express division.
 
I have still not seen anywhere where UAL has said it rejecting some of Air Wisconsin's aircraft.

This article states "Air Wisconsin Corp. is losing some of its United Express routes to rival carriers under new agreements announced Monday by United Airlines."

However it does not state that "UAL has rejected 20 of the 70 Regional Jets operated by Air Wisconsin". I am still waiting to see that article. Is it happening? Maybe. Probably, even. But thus far, that isn't public information, its conjecture. Its completely feasible that UAL is ordering 70-seat RJs from GoJet and SkyWest to upgrade routes that are doing well, and will use Air Wisc 50-seaters on new routes. Its unlikely given what we know, but still feasible.

I see this as a developing story...
 
funguy2 said:
I see this as a developing story...
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Or, as the magic 8 ball would say "Signs point to yes". See this thread - it appears that UA is talking about reducing the express domestic flying somewhat.

Jim
 
Funguy2:

I read yesterday that United was going to pull down mainline and express domestic flying as part of their new buisness plan. I do not have time to look for the article now because I'm out the door to go to work. I will look for the link tonight and post it in this thread.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
funguy,

As we've discussed in the past, it looks like the timing of the "Who's AirWis flying for now" might get interesting. I'm not sure of the schedule for Skywest's new planes going into UA express, but GoJet is not even scheduled to start flying till August - if they get a certificate (that's been Republic's problem).

At any rate, it looks like there won't be a significant replacement for AirWis' UA flying till fall or later. If all this transpires, will US reject the Mesa/TransStates contracts and take a pretty big chunk out of Uex flying till all the AirWis planes can transition or will U affirm the Mesa/TransStates contracts and swell the Express ranks as the AirWis planes transition over.

Jim
 
funguy2 said:
I have still not seen anywhere where UAL has said it rejecting some of Air Wisconsin's aircraft.

This article states "Air Wisconsin Corp. is losing some of its United Express routes to rival carriers under new agreements announced Monday by United Airlines."

It's not said explicitly in the press release that UAL is rejecting aircraft operated by AWAC, but the following statements are in there:

The agreements announced today are a result of the request for proposal that United announced last November. Of these 30 aircraft, SkyWest will operate 20 and GoJet will operate ten 70-seat Bombardier CRJ-700 aircraft under the United Express brand. The first aircraft, operated by GoJet, will begin flying in August on routes to be announced at a later date.

These 30 aircraft will fly on some routes previously operated for United by Air Wisconsin Airlines. As the company indicated in an announcement to employees late last month, United also is considering reductions in the United Express fleet to further reduce spending on U.S. domestic capacity, given high fuel prices and the current fare levels.

The two messages taken together -- that these 30 jets will be replacing Air Wisconsin on certain routes and that United may reduce the United Express fleet -- mean that it is highly likely that United will reject a substantial portion of the Air Wisconsin flying, if not all of it.

However it does not state that "UAL has rejected 20 of the 70 Regional Jets operated by Air Wisconsin". I am still waiting to see that article. Is it happening? Maybe. Probably, even. But thus far, that isn't public information, its conjecture. Its completely feasible that UAL is ordering 70-seat RJs from GoJet and SkyWest to upgrade routes that are doing well, and will use Air Wisc 50-seaters on new routes. Its unlikely given what we know, but still feasible.

Well, given that United has stated an intent to reduce its domestic Express flying, and that they don't have a hub like IAH to do the mExpressJet thing, chances are that ZW is going to be where they choose to cut domestic capacity (modulo how Shuttle America and Mesa are doing with respect to performance guarantees). 30 66-seaters works out to the equivalent of 40 50-seaters, and cutting capacity equivalent to another 30 CRJ's would probably equate to a roughly 10% reduction in United Express flying. Actually, it would not surprise me if the agreement with Trans States/GoJets included a commitment to absorb the flying they perform for US Airways if they are kicked out of the US Express family; they're one of the smaller US Express operators.

Now, looking at the further implications of this, it appears that US Airways will likely be required to find a place for most, if not all, of Air Wisconsin's 70 CRJ's in the Express system. Now, Chautauqua/Republic has ensured its place with its commitment to invest, and US owns PSA and Piedmont. This, of course, leaves Mesa as the obvious candidate for reduction. However, Mesa is also the only remaining regional partner with the financial wherewithal to drop $100 million into US Airways to help fund emergence. So, if this development means Mesa is out of the US Airways Express family, US Airways management loses its leverage to try to extract concessions and financing.

I can only think of one possible scenario where Mesa would stay in the system -- and that would be if they were to replace much, if not all, of PSA and Piedmont's flying, in which case you'd probably see parts of those carriers sold, leases rejected, etc.
 
Where does Shuttle America fit into this? A new rumour (not sure how true) is that Shuttle America will get Chautauqua's E170s, as Republic's way of getting around the AA scope clause. Republic and Shuttle America are both owned by Wexford Capital.

If so, how would that fit in with the whole RP/MAA fiasco?
 

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