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Just a heads up for all you AME's out there, especially D.O.M.s. If you haven't seen it yet, Transport Canada has issued a notice of proposed amendement called FATIGUE RISK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. If you haven't read it yet, I strongly suggest you do and fast because they're proposing some pretty serious changes to C.A.R.S.
They say that there is a need for A.M.O.'s to prevent maintenance personnel from working while fatigued. Although there intentions are in the right place, the method they are using to achieve their goal is definitely questionable.
If my interpretation of this proposal is correct, than each AMO will have to "implement a fatigue management system that is tailored to their own particular circumstances". This "system" will have to give the AMO's the ability to recognize when their AME's are fatigued and prevent them from either working at all while fatigued or prevent them from working on critical tasks.

How are the AMO's supposed to know when the AME's are tired unless the AME himself/herself comes right out and says "I'm tired, I can't work any more"
Each employee is different when it comes to stamina, physical and mental endurance, stress levels etc. Does that mean the AMO's have to draw a specific schedule for each employee?
How can we prevent helicopter AME's from working while fatigued when most of them will be working late evenings and nights during the summer months?
Some better planning of scheduled maintenance would certainly help but what happens when the helicopter breaks down late afternoon and has to be serviceable by 8:00 am the next morning? The responsible thing to do on any AME's part would be to accept the fact that he/she is too tired to keep working and go get some rest, regardless of the status of the A/C. However, how many AME's do you know would actually take the risk of being labelled "lazy" and actually go home before the A/C is serviceable?

Transport Canada definitely has a point in being concerned about AME's work load during the peak of the season but is regulating how and when we work the best solution?????????????
 
Wow :

CD thanks for posting all that, however I fell asleep part way through reading it. :mellow:

Why not have the industry pattern their " work " schedule and stress related concerns after the TC M&M' employee criteria?

That would give everyone a " level working field " so to speak.... :up:

Boy oh boy, I think I just slipped back into a bad attitude syndrome again.. :wacko:

Oh well I had my day in the industry when men were men and the girls were happy....

Rev C. W.
 
I can relate to many times working when I shouldn't have been. Some times it was my desire to do a good job, keep the operation going. Other times it was sheer stupidity. My wife and kid could wait, and driving into a ditch wasn't worth the risk.
To make something like this work, the comapnay and the individuals need to work together on it. But unfortunately there will be grey areas where you can question is this guy lazy, or is thus guy putting on a good show that he is 'superman' (but really isn't).
I fully support some sort of control, but it has to be a cut and dry time limit, much like the pilots endure. that way, everyone follows the same rule of thumb. I think a 14 hour duty day is a good start.
You're lifestyle as well is a big factor in your work ethic, and how do you control that? How do you monitor that without crossing privacy issues?
To be honest though, I was never told that I must work until a job is done. I was free to pressure myself into doing so if I so desired.
If you haven't taken a human factors course, I suggest you do. It opens your eyes.
 
CD, I've sent you an e-mail with regards to this.

Well said MagSeal.

For all other AME's, I've asked TC to include HEPAC as a represenative along with the editor of Vortex Magazine to be present at the next meeting to be held in Ottawa March 9,10 2004.

My concerns are field operations where the governing factors are the customer requirements (i.e. work load) and the two individuals that have to work as a team, sometimes for month's on end.

Giving human factors training to these individuals seperately is not condusive to a sound operation overall, but concerns only the individuals part of the operation.

Whoever is going on the field operation as part of a team representing the company they work for, should be given HUMAN FACTORS TRAINING on how to deal with the customer requirements and individual traits of these requirements. Companie's internal policy should not be discussed, unless it affects safety. The companies OPS and M&M should be sufficient answer to any customer questions regarding operations.

The spokes person for the company should be the pilot as he is the one that has to justify the billing for the flying time.

The engineer/pilot should not discuss his company issue's with anybody except his fellow workers, no matter how well you know the customer.

Anymore comments, feel free.

Cheers, Don
 
Quote from Blackmac........."Well said, MagSeal"

It's great to see you two agree on something.............
Is this a whole new world of warmth and fuzziness, or just a brief relapse ?????


P.S. Well said, both of you, and thanks for the links CD.
 
Blackmac & Magseal: Excellent posts, it will be intresting to see where this ends up.



:elvis: :up: :up: :elvis:
 
Trying to get in their (Biggles & Blackmac) good books before You join the HEPAC board?

:shock: :shock: :shock:
 
Ohhhhhh Maggyseal :lol: Ya got me laughing !!! I get this Flip Wilson skit (Geraldine & Killer) flashback where he says "the devil made him do it", laughing still .... :lol: :lol: :lol:

And Elvis, you leave my good book out of this !!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a more serious note, I agree whole heartedly with both you and Blackmac and look forward in getting them big wheels burning.
 
Geez Biggles, you're sure dating yourself talking about Flip Wilson... :shock: And we all thought you were a young chicky... 😉
 
Fooled ya didn't I (I wish), but there's always re-runs and older brothers that I could blame this on !! Anyways, at least I was able to get to the Beaver last year unlike some of us! :lol: 😛
 
For all concerned the Notice of Proposed Amendment with regards to Fatigue Risk Management will not be in force until at least Dec 04, if then. Much has to be done to cover all aspects and different work area's of the amendment and who does it actually effect, i.e. airline ops, helicopter ops, o/h shops etc.

The policy paper on Safety Management Sytem was discussed at length and will be worked on in accordance TC's mandate and re-dicussed at a later date before implimentation.

For the info of the helicopter industry, very few people from the industry were there and the spoke person was of course HAC, who in my opinion spent more time on nitpicking words than actually supplying any constructive observations.

I do think that the policies being discussed effect the operators more than they effect the CEO or whatever of HAC.

Is it possible that the operators need a wake-up call.

IMHO

Don McDougall
 
Maybe if the opertunity presents itself again, we should all put all little money in the pot and send a knowledgeable guy like Ron Strobl to represent us!!!
I would hate to see this thing get implemented while we all stand around like jerks with our fingers up our butts!!!! 😱
 
Fatigue Risk Management?? what kind of TC-speak is that? I am glad that there is finally action on this subject. I think we have all worked so many hours as to be classified as dangerously tired on many occasions. Its a small wonder that the effects of that haven't showed up on the accident statistics in a more obvious way up until now. I can remember when the pilot duty day came into effect, and the operators all cried " the sky is falling, the sky is falling ", but this many years later, they all seemed to have found a way to deal with it. I think the initial implementation will be a bit rocky, but like the pilot duty day, it will all work out to a fair and manageable system that can be applied efficiently for all. My one belief is that once we are working under this type of rule, our 'stock' as engineers will go up as the respect and importance of what we do while everybody else is sleeping becomes felt. Maybe we will be regarded as more than simply a 'grease-monkey'?

the reason for the delay in this being implemented until now has been strong lobbying by the operators, helped by a shortage of engineers. I have never believed there was a shortage, just an industry that "ate its own young". I know far too many engineers that got out after being used up and discarded by operators that paid little, and asked too much. The industry is crying the blues because there is no experienced pilots, and now engineers...who's fault is that??

A fellow told me this summer that the Quebec Cartel bought up another western based operator this spring, and first order of bussines was to anounce an across the board lowering of wages. From what this fellow told me, the crew got up and walked out of the meeting en-mass. Way to go guys! If we don't stand up to these people and say enough is enough, the status quo will continue. That includes hours of work
 
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