Flight Attendants' Voices Heard: Hell No!

[Beancounter]

Company is not able to show a loss, their profits are apparently out of control on the plus side, so, why do any of the flight attendants (much less any employee group) think "cost neutral" is a viable foundation for a contract?

Club,

I agree that cost neutral is not acceptable. You really should educate yourself however. Just hop on the government SEC site and look up US Airways(LCC) financial statements, better known as 10k. If you're not familiar with financial statements, some of it may look like gibberish, but look at the Statement of Cash Flows, it's relatively easy to read and is very important. Look at the operating section and you'll see we don't have a lot of money to play with. Want to dig deeper, look at the Balance sheet and how much debt we have. We should be paying it down, but can't afford to. While you're looking at the cash flows, check out how much we lost on fuel hedging a couple years ago, it's painfully. If anyone wonders why we don't fuel hedge they should check it out.

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

Well said, sir. Too many whack-os on the west, and a few on the east, who have no idea what negotiating is about.

Ahhh yes, because y'all have done such a phenomenal job of negotiating so far. 🙄

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

I think the issue is the next offer may be two years down the road.

When have YOU ever been right about anything?

 

[john john]

Club,

You really should educate yourself however. Just hop on the government SEC site and look up US Airways(LCC) financial statements, better known as 10k. If you're not familiar with financial statements, some of it may look like gibberish, but look at the Statement of Cash Flows, it's relatively easy to read and is very important. Look at the operating section and you'll see we don't have a lot of money to play with. Want to dig deeper, look at the Balance sheet and how much debt we have. We should be paying it down, but can't afford to. While you're looking at the cash flows, check out how much we lost on fuel hedging a couple years ago, it's painfully. If anyone wonders why we don't fuel hedge they should check it out.

Bean

Didn’t US management also make a stupid mistake and loose 250+ million on bonds

 

[Move2CLT]

Didn’t US management also make a stupid mistake and loose 250+ million on bonds

Why is "lose" vs "loose" so hard to figure out?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Just hop on the government SEC site and look up US Airways(LCC) financial statements, better known as 10k. If you're not familiar with financial statements, some of it may look like gibberish, but look at the Statement of Cash Flows, it's relatively easy to read and is very important. Look at the operating section and you'll see we don't have a lot of money to play with.

I play with the Warren Buffett crowd as well as a former General Consul of USAir, try the 1970 annual report.

I know the difference between what "must" be reported versus what is actual. The DP consortium has successfully diverted an unprecedented amount of cash flow to "other than labor". It is a fact that should concern each and every employee. Over a third of the "costs" are reported as "Misc", something that should be a giant red-flag to anyone.

Sorry, your "concern troll" thoughts are just fantasy.

Sometimes you just have to force the bastards into a corner to get the actual situation. We, apparently, have to "play" with bastards and liars. Until they are forced to disclose what is happening, no deal.

 

[Move2CLT]

Well said, sir. Too many whack-os on the west, and a few on the east, who have no idea what negotiating is about.

Now that's funny. And east guy talking about negotiating.

How far have you guys gotten? Contract in how many days?

Oh, and aren't you guys the ones that gave back more in concessions than your company's original ask?

Ya, talk about whack-o's, but make sure to include yourselves. You guys define the term.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

Sounds good. So, beyond the remote chance of getting released to self-help, what negotiating leverage does the AFA have to get a more favorable contract? Have they been holding something back for the last six years?

As a Libertarian Scholar surely you grasp the concept of negotiating in good faith - or does that only apply in binding arbitration? Five and a half years and and the TA gets votes down by 75%. Recalcitrant East F/As? PMS and Irrational Uneducated UnSkilled Workers? Or was it just a total sub standard offer? I will withhold my opinion until the arbitrator weighs in - maybe all you KNOW iT ALL'S will do the same. Either way the T/A that was supposedly "industry standard" got voted down in a landslIde. It's up to team TEMPE how bad they want to be a real pllayer. I can wait and have been for seven years - still not impressed by Parker even though you might be. I have said it before and will say it again Parker is just another Frank Lorenzo with a slightly different rap.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Now that's funny. And east guy talking about negotiating.

How far have you guys gotten? Contract in how many days?

Oh, and aren't you guys the ones that gave back more in concessions than your company's original ask?

Ya, talk about whack-o's, but make sure to include yourselves. You guys define the term.

BTW, thanks for the "opinion" we can use against the west.

I did not include "all" the west or "all" the east, despite your attempt to lump sum everyone. I am not surprised at your apparent lack of experience, that, I am certain, extends to your peer's lack of abilities in the aeronautical areas. Just view the logs of any PHX approach control segment and see how many times they diss the west vs the east.

There are a some westies who know what they are doing, but, over all, I would suggest that only a few are in that group. Listen to the tapes. Dreadful.

 

[Beancounter]

I play with the Warren Buffett crowd as well as a former General Consul of USAir, try the 1970 annual report.

I know the difference between what "must" be reported versus what is actual. The DP consortium has successfully diverted an unprecedented amount of cash flow to "other than labor". It is a fact that should concern each and every employee. Over a third of the "costs" are reported as "Misc", something that should be a giant red-flag to anyone.

Sorry, your "concern troll" thoughts are just fantasy.

Sometimes you just have to force the bastards into a corner to get the actual situation. We, apparently, have to "play" with bastards and liars. Until they are forced to disclose what is happening, no deal.

Hiding your pay raise under, "Misc?" Club, I have a little bit of news for you and you may want to sit down for it. There is no Tooth Fairy, Elvis is dead, and there is no magic tree growing money in Doug's back yard. Are there any other conspiracy theories we should cover?

Bean

 

[SparrowHawk]

Hiding your pay raise under, "Misc?" Club, I have a little bit of news for you and you may want to sit down for it. There is no Tooth Fairy, Elvis is dead, and there is no magic tree growing money in Doug's back yard. Are there any other conspiracy theories we should cover?

Bean

Ever hear the phrase, "Figures don't lie, but liars figure"? it would take a fair amount of work to determine if the Club Master General is right. You'd have to compare a representative sample of cash flow statements from various hub and spoke carriers and see if US's Musc. Line were higher or lower then other comparable airlines. Even then it's not a true and correct evaluation as each airline has different variables,

 

[Dilligas]

Sparrowhawk said: "As much as I hate to say it, I think the time has come for Labor to put US Airways out of business and it pains me greatly to say this."

USA320Pilot comments: Then why do you work here? Because you're angry and don't earn enough you want to hurt the business enterprise and thousands of other people? If you're unhappy then resign and go work somewhere else, but don't try to hurt others because you're unhappy.

What a treat!

Here in one post for quick reference, from the champions of narcissism and manipulation, those passive aggressive purveyors of fear, confusion, and m&m's, the never hired and the once fired, the gruesome twosome, the copier sales trainer and the cockpit in- flight typist, our very own odd couple...

And that's no April Fools joke, folks... enjoy.

Oh, Bobby, we all know how much it pained you to spew that gem... you sweet lil prince of the pines. How brave of you to utter it despite all the pain you were in.

And Chippy, Bobby never worked here. But he did apply (rejected) and I'm sure he's probably stayed at a Holiday Inn Express at some time.

 

[yahtzee]

Recall of Deborah Volpe on the west has started. Looks like the east has some competition when it comes to drama.

Will Carol Austin be replaced?

 

[Move2CLT]

jeez I actually missed you! Always nice to have a few a-holes posting to keep it interesting. Welcome back! try to add an actual thought next post, we're all well versed in insults.

BTW, No longer in the Pines.

Still not getting the hint I see.

 

[BoeingBoy]

and see if US's Musc. Line were higher or lower then other comparable airlines.

Don't take clubbie seriously - I think the Warren Buffet he "plays" with is the dishwasher at the local greasy spoon. Just look at the latest P&L, balance sheet, and cash flows in the latest annual report. I don't think you find a line item called "misc" in them. Even assuming that clubbie really means "other", his comment that "Over a third of the "costs" are reported as "Misc", something that should be a giant red-flag to anyone" is patently false.

Operating expenses: total $12,629 million, other $1,235 million [fuel is $3,400 million, labor is $2,272 million]
Nonoperating income (expense): total ($326) million, other ($12) million [interest expense is ($327) million]

So I ask you, is either of those "Misc" costs over 1/3 the total? Clubbie has a history of making it up as he goes...

Jim