Gasoline up 100% under Obama

[Ms Tree]

You should reflect on the moment, faced with a dem controlled congress and no hope of expanded off shore drilling, Bush declared the intent to drill....if I remember correctly, just the intent of the US expanding offshore and on land drilling screwed up the futures speculators and dropped gas prices by a fair amount.

So where Obama?

He wants to get re-elected, oil drilling would provide happy campers in the gulf oil states, plus provide an economic stimulus for the country across the board. His green weenie faction will cry foul. Apparently economic recovery isn't on the radar.Most of his base already are freaked out with some of his many questionable actions as Prez......

I personally know a couple platform drillers who are now in the Pa/WVA area training on Marcellus Shale. They'd rather be in the gulf....one dude went to West Guinea for a month on stint.....on an offshore platform....tell me he going vote Obammy?

As I mentioned above, domestic oil production has actually increased in 2010. It is the highest it has been since 2003 (though only marginally so) ye oil price fluctuate like my wife's mood. Increased production will only delay the inevitable. As we have seen in this country time and time again, people do not look to the future, They are a hear and now. Prices drop and the sales of inefficient vehicles take off and no one worries about how to break the dependance. Prices for fuel need to remain high and we need to move into smaller vehicles, smaller homes, and just a more conservation based life style.

 

[dapoes]

As I mentioned above, domestic oil production has actually increased in 2010. It is the highest it has been since 2003 (though only marginally so) ye oil price fluctuate like my wife's mood. Increased production will only delay the inevitable. As we have seen in this country time and time again, people do not look to the future, They are a hear and now. Prices drop and the sales of inefficient vehicles take off and no one worries about how to break the dependance. Prices for fuel need to remain high and we need to move into smaller vehicles, smaller homes, and just a more conservation based life style.

As we have seen in this forum time and time again, people like do have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[dapoes]

If this country gone forward with the drilling and exploration that Bush cleared the way for, prior to his term ending, we would have been well on our way to markedly increasing our domestic production by leaps and bounds. But no, instead we are giving billions to Brazil so they can explore and drill so we are further dependent on foreign oil.

 

[Kev3188]

One piece in the fuel price debate that I think often gets overlooked is infrastructure. Sure, trucks can be an efficient way of moving goods, but not when they're stuck in gridlock. Same with airplanes, and to a lesser extent, trains. Those issues need to be a strong component of any energy discussions going forward.

The other is the way we as a nation choose to live/play. The SUV vs. Prius argument has been done to death, but regardless of *what* people drive, the fact is that they *need* to drive to get to almost anything in their lives. Except for those living in dense urban centers such as NYC, most of us need to get in a car to get to work, get to the store, and so on. Looking forward, cities-especially suburbs- need to be designed with this in mind. I for one would gladly walk to the store if I could. My commute to work is very short, but it is not feasible for me to walk or ride my bike. Extrapolate that example across the entire populace, and it can make a real difference. Other things like working from home are increasing as technology allows are good starts, but not enough. Ditto things like carpools, checking tire pressure, etc. These address a lot of symptoms while overlooking a root cause.

 

[delldude]

As I mentioned above, domestic oil production has actually increased in 2010. It is the highest it has been since 2003 (though only marginally so) ye oil price fluctuate like my wife's mood. Increased production will only delay the inevitable. As we have seen in this country time and time again, people do not look to the future, They are a hear and now. Prices drop and the sales of inefficient vehicles take off and no one worries about how to break the dependance. Prices for fuel need to remain high and we need to move into smaller vehicles, smaller homes, and just a more conservation based life style.

Domestic exploration went south Pal.....and that's going to hurt.

Can you explain why supposedly spent wells were gone back into and found to be filling back up?

There's so much oil off the Left Coast, that its polluting beaches and killing birds. More in a year than Valdez. You would think it would be prudent to tap into it instead of letting it pollute the coast.....not on the Left Coast mind you.

 

[Ms Tree]

Domestic exploration went south Pal.....and that's going to hurt.

Can you explain why supposedly spent wells were gone back into and found to be filling back up?

There's so much oil off the Left Coast, that its polluting beaches and killing birds. More in a year than Valdez. You would think it would be prudent to tap into it instead of letting it pollute the coast.....not on the Left Coast mind you.

oil production since 2003

2003: 2,073,453,000
2004: 1,983,302,000
2005: 1,890,106,000
2006: 1,862,259,000
2007: 1,848,450,000
2008: 1,811,817,000
2009: 1,956,596,000
2010: 2,011,856,000

Production may fall a little over 200k barrels by 2012 but considering we use over 19 million barrels a day I hardly think that is worth mentioning.

 

[dapoes]

Domestic exploration went south Pal.....and that's going to hurt.

Can you explain why supposedly spent wells were gone back into and found to be filling back up?

There's so much oil off the Left Coast, that its polluting beaches and killing birds. More in a year than Valdez. You would think it would be prudent to tap into it instead of letting it pollute the coast.....not on the Left Coast mind you.

Exactly, but dont let the facts get in the way...

18 billion barrels of oil waiting to be tapped off the Santa Babara coastline alone. But no rather them tap it, just let it seep and pollute the coastline. All that oil could easily solve the debt crisis they have in california, but no. Tree huggers are to busy blowing pinwheels to generate a microvolt.

 

[dapoes]

Environmentalists and progressive politicians not only are making it impossible for the US to become energy self-sufficient, they are 100% responsible for over 80,000 barrels of annual oil pollution off the California coast and over 500,000 barrels of annual oil pollution in the Gulf of Mexico. This oil pollution is not caused by oil companies. It is natural seepage. All that has to be done to reduce this natural seepage to zero is to drill more and relieve the pressure. What does Obama and the Secretary of the Interior do? They ban all drilling off our coasts. Thus, they are directly responsible for polluting our coast lines on purpose and for almost a trillion dollars a year being sent to foreign oil producing countries.

Researchers at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute (WHOI) and the University of California in Santa Barbara (UCSB) are the first to quantify the amount of natural seepage of oil and gas offshore from Santa Barbara and Ventura County in California.

Oil Seepage

Natural seepage of oil per day off shore from Santa Barbara, California is estimated to be 10,000 gallons or 238 barrels per day or over 87,000 barrels of oil per year. To put this in perspective, in the infamous 1969 oil spill in Santa Barbara coastal waters, approximately 80,000 barrels of oil was spilled. Every 12 months approximately 87,000 barrels spew up from the sea floor along Santa Barbara’s coast line naturally from off shore oil seeps. Assuming the Santa Barbara natural seepage of 87,000 barrels of oil per year; approximately 3,475,000 barrels of oil have seeped naturally of the Santa Barbara coast over the past 40 years. Lack of proper actions to eliminate this natural seepage by environmentalists and politicians for over 40 years (I call this: ”pollution on purpose”) is responsible for more than 43 times the “accidental” Santa Barbara oil spill in 1969.

Also, to put this into further perspective, since 1969, off shore California accidental oil spills from producing oil rigs operated by the major oil companies have been only 842 barrels.

To put this in further perspective, more oil has naturally seeped off the coast of Santa Barbara since that drilling ban went into effect in 1969 than flowed from the BP well that recently blew out in the Gulf of Mexico; and not one politician or environmentalist show any concern. It is estimated that natural seepage in the Gulf of Mexico is 500,000 barrels of oil per year. This is incredible.

Gas Seepage

Natural offshore seeps of Gas is estimated to be 6,075 tons per year. The Santa Barbara County Air Pollution Control estimates greenhouse gas emitted by all vehicles in Santa Barbara County to be 4,800 tons per year.

Solution

To reduce this natural oil and gas seepage, we need to drill for additional gas and oil to relieve the pressure that drives the natural seepage. This drilling could even be done on shore, requiring no new off shore drilling rigs. The environmental groups and politicians reject this solution because they want to appear to be politically correct; want to maintain their power and oppose anything to do with the oil companies making a dollar.

In 2008, President Bush rescinded the federal ban on off shore oil drilling. On July 20, 2009, Arnold Schwarzenegger propose oil drilling of the outer continental shelf. Several weeks later the liberal California State legislature voted against this measure. On September 1, 2009, the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors is scheduled to vote to oppose all Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) oil drilling in their report to the Department of the Interior.

If drilling were allowed by the politicians and the environmentalists, a giant pollution problem would be slowed down and eventually eliminated for future generations; the State of California would have received billions of $$ in royalties, the US would be less dependent upon foreign oil imports; with supply increasing, prices of oil & natural gas would trend lower and the citizens of the US and California would be better off. The State could even use some of the billions in royalties to promote clean solar energy.

The drilling solution is a win-win for everyone, and yet the politicians care more about their getting re-elected and the environmentalists care more about their power than any of them think about benefiting the citizens, the State and the Country.

What are these people missing here? This is a sad day for the people these two groups are supposed to represent, us!!!

Moral of the Story = Government Get Out of Our lives and let capitalism work. It works every time.

http://www.soscalifornia.org

Actual Photographs of natural oil & gas seeps:

http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/seeps/environment.html

 

[delldude]

oil production since 2003


Production may fall a little over 200k barrels by 2012 but considering we use over 19 million barrels a day I hardly think that is worth mentioning.

Domestic exploration went south Pal.....and that's going to hurt.

Duh.......

 

[xUT]

I had seepage this morning. Don't think it's oil though...

 

[Ms Tree]

Domestic exploration went south Pal.....and that's going to hurt.

Duh.......

That is for domestic production.

 

[delldude]

That is for domestic production.

Wrong................production is pulling it out the ground now.

Exploration is seeking new sources.

Can not link both.

Obama shut down exploration.....period.

You are that naive?

 

[Ms Tree]

Wrong................production is pulling it out the ground now.

Exploration is seeking new sources.

Can not link both.

Obama shut down exploration.....period.

You are that naive?

Sorry. My fault. I read production not exploration.

The only way I would support exploration is if it is tied to alternative energy development and that oil/fuel is used as a stop gap till we implement alternatives such as LP/NG (available now) along with increased CAFE requirements, public transportation and increased fuel tax among other things.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Sorry. My fault. I read production not exploration.

The only way I would support exploration is if it is tied to alternative energy development and that oil/fuel is used as a stop gap till we implement alternatives such as LP/NG (available now) along with increased CAFE requirements, public transportation and increased fuel tax among other things.

It's not the role of the federal government to regulate exploration or production or have CAFE requirements on motor vehicles.

What is the role/job of the Feds is to charge free market rates on leases/contracts for mineral extracted from Federal Lands. Notice I said MARKET RATES, not the current sweetheart deals of today that were/are cut in the metaphorical smoke filled room.

 

[delldude]

Sorry. My fault. I read production not exploration.

The only way I would support exploration is if it is tied to alternative energy development and that oil/fuel is used as a stop gap till we implement alternatives such as LP/NG (available now) along with increased CAFE requirements, public transportation and increased fuel tax among other things.

I highlighted it for you..... :blink:

It doesn't matter.........drilling going to be a big mantra 2012.

Looking more like oil is a renewable resource, BTW.