High risk uninsured....hope you last 6 months

[delldude]

WASHINGTON - You're afraid your cancer is back, and a health insurance company just turned you down.

Under the health care bills in Congress, you could apply for coverage through a new high-risk pool that President Barack Obama promises would immediately start serving patients with pre-existing medical problems.

Wait a second. Read the fine print. You may have to be uninsured for six months to qualify.

"If you are a cancer patient and have cancer now, you can't wait six months to go into a plan because your condition can go from bad to death," said Stephen Finan, a policy expert with the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network. He called the waiting period in the Senate bill "unacceptable."

Source........

Robert Reich on long term HC:

"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die."

HC in the progressive world.....

 

[jimntx]

I thought you could think for yourself, but obviously you just parrot the "fair and balanced" lies from Fox "News", and call it the truth. I would have thought better of you.

Which is better? Waiting 6 months for coverage under the Demo plan, or not getting coverage at all unless you are a rich, white Republican who doesn't need coverage anyway as the Republicans think. Hate to break it to you, bud, but they(Fox News and Rush) would let you die in a second also if a dime of your care came out of their pockets.

As to your "quote" from Robert Reich...you seem to have missed the point that he was speaking in hypotheticals. He clearly stated, that if a candidate did not wish to be elected that is what he would say. (See, unlike your fellow travelers, I go and read the link instead of just going ballistic over your slanted outtake from the article.)

The truth is those conversations about not providing expensive treatment to the elderly go on each and every day in hospitals all over the nation between doctors and the family. It happened in my family in June. My mother (age 93) who had been out of touch with reality for 5 years because of vascular dementia, was in the hospital with pneumonia. (The nursing home transferred her to the hospital before contacting us.) After several days of treatment with no improvement, the doctor said to us that his recommendation was that she be returned to the nursing home and let nature take it course. We did that and she died peacefully in her sleep two days later. Does that make the doctor (or me) a member of one of your alleged death squads? No. It makes him a caring physician concerned with both the patient and the family's needs. And, it indicates that my sister, my brothers, and I are all grown-up people who could accept the fact that our Mother's life was over.

P.S. In the medical profession, they call pneumonia the old person's friend because it doesn't always respond to a wacky family's demand that extraordinary means be used to keep a heart beating and lungs moving in and out (forcibly) in a body which has reached the end of its time on this earth.

 

[delldude]

He clearly stated, that if a candidate did not wish to be elected that is what he would say.

What you miss is his inference.........that is what the agenda is..........................

Glad you're not my child.............

Does that make the doctor (or me) a member of one of your alleged death squads?

Your 'Death Squads' were approved in the last stimulus if you didn't already know and they ain't all doctors....

Dude its way beyond GOP/DNC...............wake up your losing your country right under your nose and fail to see it.

 

[southwind]

I thought you could think for yourself, but obviously you just parrot the "fair and balanced" lies from Fox "News", and call it the truth. I would have thought better of you.

Which is better? Waiting 6 months for coverage under the Demo plan, or not getting coverage at all unless you are a rich, white Republican who doesn't need coverage anyway as the Republicans think. Hate to break it to you, bud, but they(Fox News and Rush) would let you die in a second also if a dime of your care came out of their pockets.

What if your a "Rich BLACK Republican" !

And there you go ....................again, A Socilist Demorat spouting racial remarks!

And no, I don't want Fox News or Rush paying one red cent for my healthcare..................why should they , it's THEIR money, THEY earned it, not YOU !

 

[jimntx]

Oh, Daddy. Souffwin called me a socialist. Boo-hoo. I'm going out in the yard and eat a bug. Then he'll be sowwy.

 

[southwind]

Oh, Daddy. Souffwin called me a socialist. Boo-hoo. I'm going out in the yard and eat a bug. Then he'll be sowwy.

And don't forget racist ! :down:

 

[tech2101]

I thought you could think for yourself, but obviously you just parrot the "fair and balanced" lies from Fox "News", and call it the truth. I would have thought better of you.

Which is better? Waiting 6 months for coverage under the Demo plan, or not getting coverage at all unless you are a rich, white Republican who doesn't need coverage anyway as the Republicans think. Hate to break it to you, bud, but they(Fox News and Rush) would let you die in a second also if a dime of your care came out of their pockets.

As to your "quote" from Robert Reich...you seem to have missed the point that he was speaking in hypotheticals. He clearly stated, that if a candidate did not wish to be elected that is what he would say. (See, unlike your fellow travelers, I go and read the link instead of just going ballistic over your slanted outtake from the article.)

The truth is those conversations about not providing expensive treatment to the elderly go on each and every day in hospitals all over the nation between doctors and the family. It happened in my family in June. My mother (age 93) who had been out of touch with reality for 5 years because of vascular dementia, was in the hospital with pneumonia. (The nursing home transferred her to the hospital before contacting us.) After several days of treatment with no improvement, the doctor said to us that his recommendation was that she be returned to the nursing home and let nature take it course. We did that and she died peacefully in her sleep two days later. Does that make the doctor (or me) a member of one of your alleged death squads? No. It makes him a caring physician concerned with both the patient and the family's needs. And, it indicates that my sister, my brothers, and I are all grown-up people who could accept the fact that our Mother's life was over.

P.S. In the medical profession, they call pneumonia the old person's friend because it doesn't always respond to a wacky family's demand that extraordinary means be used to keep a heart beating and lungs moving in and out (forcibly) in a body which has reached the end of its time on this earth.

I had all but given up hope on rebutting this stuff. It is very easy, yet tiresome.

As you know, rebutting with facts to the OP falls on deaf ears...to the OP. There are many out in the blogosphere that read this stuff and appreciate it when a post calls someone out, with facts, like yours did here.

Thanks for the help Jim.

 

[delldude]

I had all but given up hope on rebutting this stuff. It is very easy, yet tiresome.

As you know, rebutting with facts to the OP falls on deaf ears...to the OP. There are many out in the blogosphere that read this stuff and appreciate it when a post calls someone out, with facts, like yours did here.

Thanks for the help Jim.

In true liberal fashion you infer your tried and proven method of evasion........

How's the denial of coverage for illegals counselor.........

Do some research and you'll see the progressive agenda ends in an "early permanent retirement'.

Your rose colored glasses keep you guys at the progressives feet and blind to the agenda so it really never will matter as to facts because the true facts don't fit in your little rosey picture of reality.

Progressive liberal logic.....

 

[KCFlyer]

WASHINGTON - You're afraid your cancer is back, and a health insurance company just turned you down.

Under the health care bills in Congress, you could apply for coverage through a new high-risk pool that President Barack Obama promises would immediately start serving patients with pre-existing medical problems.

Wait a second. Read the fine print. You may have to be uninsured for six months to qualify.

"If you are a cancer patient and have cancer now, you can't wait six months to go into a plan because your condition can go from bad to death," said Stephen Finan, a policy expert with the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network. He called the waiting period in the Senate bill "unacceptable."

Quick question you might be able to fill me in on Dell...I bolded a sentence there....I'm assuming that this holds true under our current forms of health care coverage. A health insurance company just turned you down...isn't that kind of like a death panel then? They didn't say wait 6 months and then we'll cover you...they TURNED YOU DOWN. Could you explain how this is better than even an unacceptable 6 month wait? Does Mr. Finan feel that this is better than a 6 month wait? Or should you start a bake sale (as a person down the street from me did about a month ago) to cover your treatment costs?

I love arguments on other boards about this topic...especially when I mentioned the neighbor who really did have a bake sale to try to raise money for his cancer treatments. The immediate reply from the right is "he shouldn't have let his insurance lapse" or "he should sell the Lexus (he owned a Camry...an older one at that) and the big screen TV (didn't have one of those)...he shouldn't have bought more house than he could afford (best as I can tell, he didn't). The list goes on.

The conservative approach is all well and good....when you are young and healthy. But imagine if you will that YOU were in the situation described in the first line of the quoted story....let's hear your solution.

 

[delldude]

Here....I bolded something you should consider:

Under the health care bills in Congress, you could apply for coverage through a new high-risk pool that President Barack Obama promises would immediately start serving patients with pre-existing medical problems.

You missed this point I think.
Isn't Nancy's whole mission to fix our terribly broken system?
I thought you'd get immediate coverage under Obamacare....looks like no from here....Hmmm.....this is fixing the system for those pre-existing conditions?

Under the present system you are screwed without recourse.......so whats so different under the new improved Obamacare? I thought they were going to fix it? If you wait 6 months there's a real good chance they won't have to pay for you..... 😱
KC its all about payout and if the gov't has final control....what do you think will be the outcome?

What is referred to as 'Death Panels' by the left are those on the HC board who will decide what treatment and what drugs you will or won't be allowed.Age related of course.
You did hear Robert Reich's inferences didn't you?

 

[KCFlyer]

Here....I bolded something you should consider:



You missed this point I think.
Isn't Nancy's whole mission to fix our terribly broken system?
I thought you'd get immediate coverage under Obamacare....looks like no from here....Hmmm.....this is fixing the system for those pre-existing conditions?

Under the present system you are screwed without recourse.......so whats so different under the new improved Obamacare? I thought they were going to fix it? If you wait 6 months there's a real good chance they won't have to pay for you..... 😱
KC its all about payout and if the gov't has final control....what do you think will be the outcome?

What is referred to as 'Death Panels' by the left are those on the HC board who will decide what treatment and what drugs you will or won't be allowed.Age related of course.
You did hear Robert Reich's inferences didn't you?

Hmmmm...my dad died in 2001. Had cancer - he was 76. Went thru Chemo (which damn near killed him anyways) and was pronounced "clean" around Thanksgiving 2000. It was back by February 2001. He asked his doctor what he felt his odds were of remission lasting more than 3 months if he went thru chemo again. The doctor said "about 1 in 10". Dad decided to forgo chemo and live out his remaining 4 months with some semblance of quality. That discussion has been painted by the right as a "death panel". My grandad was in the hospital back in the 70's because of a heart attack. He smoked. He was 80 at the time. He was in the hall of the hospital, having a smoke (remember the days when you could smoke in a hospital) and the doctor said "you'd live to be a hundred if you'd give those up". Grandad responded with "did it ever occur to you that I might not WANT to be a hundred?". Both of those were "end of life discussions" that the right jumped on as being a "death panel". WE don't want mom or dad to die. Kinda funny...we'd put a dog down to end it's suffering, but we want mom and pop hooked up to every tube known to man to keep them with us...quality of life be damned. Shouldn't the patient be the one to determine how far they want the docs to go? Yet this was an evil "death panel".

But...on to the new definition of "death panel"...who on the Humana board decides that a 35 year old won't be covered? AS heartless as you guys like to make it seem...dooming granny to death (although good conservatives are kind of hoping granny kicks in 2010 since they won't have the "death tax" cutting into their inheritance) by denying care that will cost $100k because she's 85 is no different that the folks at Humana or other heatlh insurers denying coverage to a 35 year old because the treatment would cut into their profits. You want this to be about "dollars"...well, when you boil the dollar figure down, do you want to spend a hundred grand on a person who has already outlived the average lifespan of an American? What kind of return on investment should we as a business expect? And last I checked, this is still America - if the "death panel" says granny won't get the heart transplant, you are free to sell your house, cars, boats, and have bake sales to pay for the operation with your own money. Not really much different than it is today, except we've got the "they're killing grandma" argument.

 

[delldude]

Her dad just recovered from pig valve install and a bypass in September......$455,000.00
Cost him $1000.00
Eight years ago he had a triple bypass.
$65,000.00
He's 78 now.
I was raking leaves with him last weekend.
Ask Her if it was worth it.....

 

[Freedom4all]

There's a distinction between the individual making that decision vs the govt mandating it. That's what the argument is truly about.

 

[KCFlyer]

Her dad just recovered from pig valve install and a bypass in September......$455,000.00
Cost him $1000.00
Eight years ago he had a triple bypass.
$65,000.00
He's 78 now.
I was raking leaves with him last weekend.
Ask Her if it was worth it.....

Wow...78. That's awesome. Did "Medicare" cover much of that?

 

[delldude]

Wow...78. That's awesome. Did "Medicare" cover much of that?

Eight years longer than dead at 70............

Had to use private insurance....He's a Republican.