Its been proven its far easier to vote in another union than it is to change your AGC'S under the IAM. It is impossible to have fair elections when the IAM is willing to violate their own constitution as to keep their company YES men in!!!!
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ah whats keeping you from submitting a by law change and getting your bunch of monday morning quarterbacks to help you muscle the change through...oh i bet you're too friggin busy and don't have time.....pitguy said:
little wine with that cheese my man??
More than likely the problem is not so much the guys you vote for or against, its the ones above them that you cant vote for or against.
The guys you have at the Local level may do their best, if not then someone would have a good chance running against them, but more than likely the problem is that anyone who would be better realizes how futile it is to run on a platform of change when all the decisions come from above.
In order to fix the IAM you would need to mobilze hundreds of thousands of members spread out throughout the country in scores of different industries, its far easier and more effective to leave for another union that has what you expect than to change one like the IAM from within. Its too big, too diverse and too entrenched.
The guys you have at the Local level may do their best, if not then someone would have a good chance running against them, but more than likely the problem is that anyone who would be better realizes how futile it is to run on a platform of change when all the decisions come from above.
In order to fix the IAM you would need to mobilze hundreds of thousands of members spread out throughout the country in scores of different industries, its far easier and more effective to leave for another union that has what you expect than to change one like the IAM from within. Its too big, too diverse and too entrenched.
bob i agree to a point but in PIT there is an unhappy faction with the elected leadership...they piss and moan and whine but the bottom line is they have not as of yet successfully ran an electable canidate who can carry a majority thats it .
until that happens and they get the membership to vote as a whole ,things will be status quo....
as usual , blame lays at the feet of the local rank and file....not the elected leadership...... 😉
until that happens and they get the membership to vote as a whole ,things will be status quo....
as usual , blame lays at the feet of the local rank and file....not the elected leadership...... 😉
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Blame for what? Did the members or the local leadership force the revote on the first round of concessions?
Do you Local elected leaders really have a say in the contract?
I was a local officer and I saw how Local leaders are conditioned to blame the membership. Its bull, if you have a structure that has leaders then when things go bad its the leaders fault. In the IAM can the members vote out the top leaders of the IAM or not? The only thing you can blame the members for is not filling out enough cards to get a representational election going between the IAM and AMFA.
they can vote amfa in or the lucky charms leprechaun for all that it would matter.the end result is the same peple would still whine and piss and moan and sit back and not attend meetings just like it is now.....and has been for 20 years...lame members bob...... iam/amfa will have to spoon feed eveyone...after all they pay dues they don't have to be involved....or you live in some fairytale city where everyone is involved??Bob Owens said:
they can vote any union in and for the most part the only ones involved to any degree will be the ones who now take the time......so we'll be back to the piss and moaning of the apathetically involved once again.
Well, it's not all that hard to get elected at the local level.
At the district level; that's a horse of another color.
At U fleet, if EVERY member voted for one guy, it was possible he would not win, BECAUSE UA also voted in the D141 elections. UA had 10,000+ votes; U had some 6,000. What UA wanted, UA got (for insight into this theory, read the D141 Messenger - it's all about UA).
Furthermore, most 141 AGC's initially were appointed mid-term, and then ran as an incumbent on the 'slate'. Incumbents have the turnover rate of the Politburo.
At the district level; that's a horse of another color.
At U fleet, if EVERY member voted for one guy, it was possible he would not win, BECAUSE UA also voted in the D141 elections. UA had 10,000+ votes; U had some 6,000. What UA wanted, UA got (for insight into this theory, read the D141 Messenger - it's all about UA).
Furthermore, most 141 AGC's initially were appointed mid-term, and then ran as an incumbent on the 'slate'. Incumbents have the turnover rate of the Politburo.
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I do agree the membership over all is lame and are getting what they have sowed. It is unfortunate though that Frank will deny not making any extra cash in his paycheck and states he just makes a normal check, but will not show it to anyone. I think we all may know why at this point. As far as the elections go I do agree for the most part except how one can defend retired workers voting on matters that effect working members/workers. That is wrong............really wrong. I left a year ago and was in no position to change matters when I did leave as I was not a member of your union. Best of luck and enjoy being part of the working poor, but at least you voted for it.
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Defend him all you want as he leads you all down the road to poverty. I have always said the average person is an idiot and I am laughing at you. Just keep grasping at what little is left of your sorry job.
--I truly do wish the best to the honest hard wroking people at U.
--I truly do wish the best to the honest hard wroking people at U.
just showing you and your biased ,baseless diatribe that you can not defend or prove me wrong....pitguy said:
and it isn't schifano sending us down the road...you got the wrong guy....its the members willing to accept this crap who are to blame , not any one union official....
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I concur that the weak membership is to blame for allot of the mess. It is a separate matter in regards to an individual that sells out the group in which they pledge to serve for a personnel gain.
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700UW said:
Did he say it was mechanics? title of topic is 141
