I'm grateful for Intelligent People. Even Religious ones !

[SparrowHawk]

That was no question, that was an accusation disguised as a question.

If the shoe fits my freeloading friend

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

If the shoe fits my freeloading friend

I guess asking disguised questions is easy for someone practiced in manipulation.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I guess asking disguised questions is easy for someone practiced in manipulation.

 20+ Years in Sales plus 10 in Sales Training so yes I can ask questions. Not my fault you don't like the answers.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Hmmmm...I remember science class in the Catholic school I attended, and low and behold we were taught about Darwin and evolution according to science.

As usual, keep talking out of the wrong hole!

 
signals.
 
Thanx for that info, about your parochial school experience about science. (I'm being very serious now)  !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sooooo, then....why is it, that Evangelical Protestantism....is the MOST 'OUT-TO-LUNCH / OUT-OF-TOUCH' group among christians as it pertains to science  ???????????  (White red-neck Protestants from OKIE-HOMA excluded) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[delldude]

You must come to grips with the fact that you can't have one without the other.
 

 
A hypothesis from science is that the middle of a “black hole” in space contains something called a “singularity.” No one knows what it looks like or what it is, but mathematically it has to be there. It is much, much smaller than an atom and incredibly heavy.About 13.8 billion years ago, one of these exploded and it had to travel faster than the speed of light to escape the black hole. This is where our universe came from. We are still part of the Big Bang because the universe is still expanding.

 
Science says nothing travels faster than the speed of light.
 
God particle?

 

[MCI transplant]

If the shoe fits my freeloading friend

Oh!----- Did I step in the middle of something?

 

[delldude]

If the shoe fits my freeloading friend

 
Ever hear of the Foo Bird?

 

[southwind]

 
 
 (I'm being very serious now)  !!!!!!!!!!!
 
 

 
Trust me. "NO ONE" takes you seriously!

 

[ChockJockey]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/pope-francis-evalution_n_6057378.html
 
 
"God is NOT a divine being or a magician, but the ...............CREATOR....who brought everything to life"  (Pope Francis)
 
In 1950,..Pius XII  proclaimed there was NO opposition between Catholic doctrine and Evolution.  In 1996....John Paul II  endorsed Pius' statement.
 
UNLIKE much of EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTISM  in the USA, Catholic teaching traditionally has NOT been at odds with Evolution.
 
Oh Boy. When the 'Good ol' Boys' from the Baptist Churches down south / Texas  read THIS, the GUNS will be off of the Gun Racks in the P U Trucks, 'Faster an' Yawl can whistle DIXIE'   !!!!
 
This EX christian...isn't about to re-join the flock anytime soon,....B U T....when any  religious man makes a sound logical statement, even My hat comes off to him !    I really have to admit, that this Pope Francis is steadily coming out with statements trying to bring the world TOGETHER  !!
 
 
 
(Nothing to see here 'southwind. ............MOVE Along).

 
I also like the current Pope's style and approach to the application of his faith but don't think that under the surface is not the same ancient orthodoxy with the same archaic positions on matters of policy.
 
If you read the Wikipedia article on the subject of Catholicism and evolution you'll see that the church itself does not have an official doctrine regarding evolution but supports a hybridized idea of "theistic evolution" that attempts to reconcile the faith with the science.  I guess that's commendable in that they're not outright denying evolution but it's still up to individual members of the church to determine their own beliefs in regard to the matter.
 
 

For some reason this seems to be a big deal. Not sure I understand it either. The church has always been against science. Now all of a sudden the Pope comes out and says science is right and it's compatible with religion? WTF?

 
It's not really an 'all of a sudden' thing, the subject of science and Catholicism is a large, drawn out and complex one.  Historical, social, and political changes came about over centuries that sharply curbed the Church's influence in everyday life and its ability to suppress scientific advancement.  The Europe of 1950 was vastly different from the Europe of 1616 when Galileo was ordered by the church to abandon the absurd doctrine that the Earth revolved around the Sun.
 

Sooooo, then....why is it, that Evangelical Protestantism....is the MOST 'OUT-TO-LUNCH / OUT-OF-TOUCH' group among christians as it pertains to science  ???????????  (White red-neck Protestants from OKIE-HOMA excluded) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
One factor might be because unlike Catholicism, most Protestant sects don't have a unifying church authority that decides doctrines and opinions from the top down.  The Southern Baptist Convention is a congregationalist organization with virtually all the authority placed in the hands of the local church itself, which would indicate to me that the members themselves have a greater influence on religious doctrine.
 
And it's not surprising that the most dedicated Protestants, especially Baptists would be hostile/suspicious of science in general and the theory of evolution in specific.  The focus is on Faith, and holding that Faith without compromise in the face of the wickedness of the world and all its false wisdom (which includes evolution).  If evolution is correct, and the events of the book of Genesis aren't, then there really is no such thing as Original Sin, and without OS, there's no need for a universally-redeeming savior.  The true believer must deny evolution from necessity as it represents a threat to his eternal life and salvation.  Simply, evolution, like any other competing religion or ideology, puts forward a worldview incompatible with the Evangelical one and is therefore wrong.

 

[signals]

signals.
 
Thanx for that info, about your parochial school experience about science. (I'm being very serious now)  !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sooooo, then....why is it, that Evangelical Protestantism....is the MOST 'OUT-TO-LUNCH / OUT-OF-TOUCH' group among christians as it pertains to science  ???????????  (White red-neck Protestants from OKIE-HOMA excluded) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ask yourself, who is on TV and asking for money? I use to have a good laugh with Earnest Ainsley!

 

[ChockJockey]

You must come to grips with the fact that you can't have one without the other.
 
 
Science says nothing travels faster than the speed of light.
 
God particle?

 
Unlike religion, science is not doctrinal.  Science can alter its assumptions in the face of new observations and falsifiable evidence, it is merely a body of knowledge and system of experimentation that allows us to increase our understanding of how our reality seems to work; there are many limits, or frontiers to it, and science, inasmuch as it tries to make predictions about phenomena, does not in itself set down eternal or unalterable truths.  There are "laws", but even these could be challenged or altered in the face of new evidence.
 
Given what little we actually do know compared to what may be knowable, science is merely a candle in the darkness of a vast room, the goal is to make the candle brighter and brighter so we can see more; religion tells us that the contents of the darkness were revealed to ancient peoples long ago by a divine agent, and distrust any real illuminations that contradict their scriptures.
 
Indeed, nothing travels faster than the speed of light within space-time.  The Big Bang didn't occur in space, it was an expansion of the space-time medium itself for which there may be no speed limit (which is also the basis of theoretical warp drives).  Our various models of explaining physics break down or are seemingly violated when it comes to the Big Bang event since it occurred in a "place" devoid of time, space, and physical laws; that is to say our candle of understanding is not yet bright enough to illuminate what actually happened, but we are getting there.  It is just one of many unsolved problems in physics.

 

[signals]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22bo6CKJcJM

 

[delldude]

 
Unlike religion, science is not doctrinal.  Science can alter its assumptions in the face of new observations and falsifiable evidence, it is merely a body of knowledge and system of experimentation that allows us to increase our understanding of how our reality seems to work; there are many limits, or frontiers to it, and science, inasmuch as it tries to make predictions about phenomena, does not in itself set down eternal or unalterable truths.  There are "laws", but even these could be challenged or altered in the face of new evidence.
 
Given what little we actually do know compared to what may be knowable, science is merely a candle in the darkness of a vast room, the goal is to make the candle brighter and brighter so we can see more; religion tells us that the contents of the darkness were revealed to ancient peoples long ago by a divine agent, and distrust any real illuminations that contradict their scriptures.
 
Indeed, nothing travels faster than the speed of light within space-time.  The Big Bang didn't occur in space, it was an expansion of the space-time medium itself for which there may be no speed limit (which is also the basis of theoretical warp drives).  Our various models of explaining physics break down or are seemingly violated when it comes to the Big Bang event since it occurred in a "place" devoid of time, space, and physical laws; that is to say our candle of understanding is not yet bright enough to illuminate what actually happened, but we are getting there.  It is just one of many unsolved problems in physics.

 
Claim was mathematics proves the existence of a extremely heavy and dense particle inside a black hole which had to accelerate faster than the speed of light to escape the black holes intense gravity field thus the singularity was . Question then would be, where the heck was this black hole or is it a connection to something yet to be mathematically proven too?
 
Got me.