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Question for those who know the process.

Will the 2 carriers operations be merged at each airport and how long will this process take.

For example ... at Reagan Airport will Northwest flights out of the A concourse be moved over to the B Concourse.

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Minor details to be determined. More important for airports like DCA...will the merged carrier have to give up slots to other airlines.
 
at LGA and DCA, the slots will have to be given up as for the integration its a long process but eventually the planes be painted into the purchasing airlines ground equip etc
 
Does anyone know the numbers for each fleet in both NW and DL? Mainline only.

NW is mainly Airbus and DL Boeing i think
 
Does anyone know the numbers for each fleet in both NW and DL? Mainline only.

NW is mainly Airbus and DL Boeing i think
 
Delta Fleet:
MD-88 117
MD-90 16
B737-700 (10 On Order)
B737-800 71 (36 on order)
B757-200 136
B767-300 21
B767-300ER 59
B767-400ER 21
B777-200ER 8
B777-200LR 2 (6 on order)
Source

Northwest Fleet:
A319 57 (5 on order)
A320 73 (2 on order)
A330-200 11
A330-300 21
B747-400 16
B757-200 55
B757-300 16
B787-800 (18 on order w/ 50 options)
DC9-30 48
DC9-40 12
DC9-50 34
Source
 
Is Delta going to be taking all of Northwest's aircraft and just painting them in Delta's Colors? If so will current Delta pilots be able to bid for an A320 or another aircraft currently in Northwest's fleet?
 
Delta Fleet: Source
Northwest Fleet: Source
I believe these sources are a bit more up to date:
Delta
Northwest

Is Delta going to be taking all of Northwest's aircraft and just painting them in Delta's Colors? If so will current Delta pilots be able to bid for an A320 or another aircraft currently in Northwest's fleet?
The merger between Western and Delta went extremely smoothly, and took 8 months to complete. Repainting Western's planes took much longer. The repaint was Delta colors, but many (don't remember how many) had Wally Bird up front.
Delta did fly Airbus for a while, but I doubt many of those crews are still around. The pilot group 'negotiated' a contract that included a provision that said they could take a huge chunk of their projected retirement as a lump sum pay out. Many of the senior pilots did just that, leaving a pretty junior group behind (and bankrupting their retirement program.) If the two seniority lists are combined by DOH, which they should be, NW pilots would have a marked seniority advantage at bidding time. DL pilots like their (artificial?) positions on the DL seniority list, and don't want to give them up. Looking at posts on the NW board, I'm guessing the trend has been toward dovetailing, because NW pilots are pretty hot. If it isn't over dovetailing, maybe NW pilots want DL routes and are being blocked. DL did protect the top DL FAs during the Western merger. Many Western FAs were pretty upset about that.
Regardless, before you can climb into the seat, you have to qualify in type. That won't happen overnight.
 
I believe these sources are a bit more up to date:
Delta
Northwest


Many of the senior pilots did just that, leaving a pretty junior group behind (and bankrupting their retirement program.)

Incorrect, the db plan would have been insolvent regardless of the lump sum option.

If the two seniority lists are combined by DOH, which they should be

ALPA's merger policy is not based on DOH. The Delta pilots proposed a list based on relative seniority that strived to place everyone within 1% of their current seniority. The NW pilots rejected that notion.
The NW pilots proposal would have placed a significant number of NW pilots on the top of the list with a
disproportional number of DL pilots at the bottom. Take into consideration that DL brings twice the number of widebody positions to the table than NW does and the fact NW is parking their DC-9 fleet with no replacement aircraft announced. The resulting furloughs would have been strictly DL pilots under the NW proposal. If the NW pilots are "pretty hot", they have nobody to blame except their own MEC.
Their refusal to bargain in good faith is going to cost them
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Thanks for the clarification on the negotiations luv2fly. That is pretty much what I suspected, but hadn’t seen anywhere. It also fits with what Delta has done in the past.
In the Western merger, WA had a much senior FA group, and Delta protected the top DL FAs.
In the Northeasst mrger, DL employees had a lot higher seniority in almost every department, and the two lists were dovetailed in a manner similar to your post.

If ALPA has a preset merger policy, why all the gnashing of teeth? If two kids are arguing over a preset household rule, don't the parents normally tell them to shut-up and follow that rule?

Maybe you can tell me this too, has there been talk about limiting cross training? You can’t bid a route that you aren’t qualified to fly, and it would go both ways.
 
If ALPA has a preset merger policy, why all the gnashing of teeth? If two kids are arguing over a preset household rule, don't the parents normally tell them to shut-up and follow that rule?

That's a good question. In fairness to the NW MEC, they did propose subjecting the list to an expedited arbitration process similar to what happened at US/AW. I suppose the DL MEC rejected that notion after having observed what happened there. The preferable solution is to negotiate an equitable seniority list integration rather than subjecting the process to an uninvolved third party that may or may not "follow the rules". To me, the relative seniority is an equitable solution, but obviously the NW MEC doesn't agree.
If the two sides cannot agree and the merge is approved by the DOJ, what you are suggesting about the parents deciding essentially becomes true. The process is turned over to an arbitrator who will decide everyones fate. That did not bode well for the US Airways furloughed pilots.


Maybe you can tell me this too, has there been talk about limiting cross training? You can’t bid a route that you aren’t qualified to fly, and it would go both ways.

Until the merge is approved and the FAA grants authority to operate as a single carrier, all operations will remain seperate. That in itself could take a very long time.
Seat freezes and fences are sometimes used to help offset increased training costs. I would imagine there is a very good chance either or both of those will be used. Most likely everyone would remain in their current category until vacancies open up through attrition or displacements are neccessitated in the case of closing categories and or bases
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That's a good question. In fairness to the NW MEC, they did propose subjecting the list to an expedited arbitration process similar to what happened at US/AW. I suppose the DL MEC rejected that notion after having observed what happened there.
Did that arbitration board follow established ALPA guidelines?

Seat freezes and fences are sometimes used to help offset increased training costs. I would imagine there is a very good chance either or both of those will be used. Most likely everyone would remain in their current category until vacancies open up through attrition or displacements are neccessitated in the case of closing categories and or bases.
Assuming for the moment that the two groups are not going to be tossed into a high speed blender and poured out over the combined system, it seems to me like some form of what you have here is most likely.

I don’t know your position, but for the sake of this discussion, let’s say you are middle of the heap with your eye on a 767ER left seat.

DALPA already saw a mass exodus of its senior members. Because there will be far fewer turnovers in the ranks over the next 10 years or so, the remaining group was primed to stay in their current seats for an extended period. After all, the 767 captain you want to replace doesn’t have all that much time over you.

Seniority at NW is high. Unless they are somehow given authority to bump a sitting captain, and I can see no scenario where that would come about, they are going to have to wait just as long as you had expected, for that ER seat. In all likelihood, the NW guy that is eyeing ‘your spot’ is going to retire before it opens up.

When that NW captain leaves, there will be the first attrition opening you mentioned. And that one will be followed by ??? how many ??? compared to the DL side over the next 10 years?

So, it appears the advantage goes to DALPA... What am I missing?
 
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