Iraq Collapsing

[MCI transplant]

what we want is different than what we can afford.  Why not just fine the companies who are hiring illegals? If there are no jobs to be had, why come?

Obama seems to think we can afford it! He's asking for 3.7 Billion $$$! ------- But the rest of it I agree with!

 

[Ms Tree]

WE tried that but the President used his pen 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/25/obama-eases-penalties-for-businesses-hiring-illega/?page=all

From your link.
 

The inspector general’s report said ICE submitted notices totaling fines of more than $52.7 million from 2009 through 2012, but ended up charging only $31.2 million — for a 40 percent break for businesses.
 

 

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said the fines in question weren’t for hiring illegal immigrants, but for other problems with the I-9 process. The business group said ICE had been chastised by Administrative Law Judge Ellen Thomas, who had ruled in a series of cases that the agency was excessive in its fines.
Faced with that, the chamber said, ICE has begun negotiating lower fines.
“The Obama administration was bringing cases and imposing fines that were completely unreasonable in light of the fact that the employers had not hired unauthorized workers, and instead were being fined for errors in the employment verification process, sometimes thought of as ‘paperwork violations,’ ” chamber Senior Vice President Randy Johnson said in a statement to The Washington Times. “Such high fines were inconsistent with the administration’s own guidelines. An administrative law judge stepped in, as well she should have, and reduced those fines, in case after case.”
 
 

 

[Ms Tree]

Obama seems to think we can afford it! He's asking for 3.7 Billion $$$! ------- But the rest of it I agree with!

 
 
Estimates for the fence run anywhere from $16 - $23 million a mile.  Even at the low end (when the last time a contractor came in on budget?) that's at least $11 billion.  And that's just to build the stupid thing.  Maintenance costs and patrolling cost would be on top of that.

 

[PHXConx]

 
 
Estimates for the fence run anywhere from $16 - $23 million a mile.  Even at the low end (when the last time a contractor came in on budget?) that's at least $11 billion.  And that's just to build the stupid thing.  Maintenance costs and patrolling cost would be on top of that.

wouldnt patrolling costs already be included isnt that what the border patrol is supposed to be doing right now? patrolling the border?

 

[PHXConx]

From your link.
 
 

i guess you only took the one thing out of context and didnt bother to read the entire article... typical 
 
 
you asked why dont we fine businesses then when shown why the already in law fines that are to be imposed arent being by this president you defend it...
 
typical good party girl...  stay in line tow the party line,,, at all costs, i used to be that way with the republican party i learned that was wrong, how long till the good democrats realize their party is the other half of the problem?

 

[Ms Tree]

wouldnt patrolling costs already be included isnt that what the border patrol is supposed to be doing right now? patrolling the border?

Just quoting what I read.  The est are just to build the stupid thing.  I would not think maint and patroling would be included as that is an ongoing process.  The building is just a one time deal.  
 
When I lived in FL they were taking bids on building the elevated light rail.  When all was said and done, they realized they did not budget the power to run the thing.  Oops.

 

[Ms Tree]

i guess you only took the one thing out of context and didnt bother to read the entire article... typical 
 
 
you asked why dont we fine businesses then when shown why the already in law fines that are to be imposed arent being by this president you defend it...
 
typical good party girl...  stay in line tow the party line,,, at all costs, i used to be that way with the republican party i learned that was wrong, how long till the good democrats realize their party is the other half of the problem?

No, I read the whole thing.  I asked why we don't fine business for hiring illegals.  The article referenced companies being fined for not having paperwork on the legal immigrants they had working for them.  The court said the fines were to high.  
 

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said the fines in question weren’t for hiring illegal immigrants, but for other problems with the I-9 process. The business group said ICE had been chastised by Administrative Law Judge Ellen Thomas, who had ruled in a series of cases that the agency was excessive in its fines.
 

 
I also found it funny that Bush only collected $1.5 million in fines over a 5 year period.  Guess that's not important.  I seem to recall saying something to the effect that both parties have an interest in maintaining the status quo.  OH yea, here it is, OH, here is one more.  So please spare me the Obama cheer leader crap.  It's an old dog that won't hunt.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Are we going to build a border fence to stop Iraq from collapsing?

 

[Ms Tree]

It would have about the same chance of success. And we can get Halliburton to build it.

 

[MCI transplant]

No, I read the whole thing.  I asked why we don't fine business for hiring illegals.  The article referenced companies being fined for not having paperwork on the legal immigrants they had working for them.  The court said the fines were to high.  
 
 
I also found it funny that Bush only collected $1.5 million in fines over a 5 year period.  Guess that's not important.  I seem to recall saying something to the effect that both parties have an interest in maintaining the status quo.  OH yea, here it is, OH, here is one more.  So please spare me the Obama cheer leader crap.  It's an old dog that won't hunt.

You keep jumping on what Bush did!-----Well that was six years ago! What has Obama done? And no one really believes building a 1,600 mile fence across our southern boarder is is practical,------ But you keep harping on it! What we can do is employ drones to monitor the areas not covered by fence! Bring in the national guard to  relieve the border patrol so they can get back to what there supposed to be doing instead of baby sitting, and changing dippers! Obama could instruct the Navy to deploy river boats on the Rio Grand. There's a lot that could be done that is not! It seems Obama is too busy raising  money for the Democrats, and drinking beer, to be bothered by a little crises down on the border! After all, it's just one more crises in a long string of them!

 

[signals]

wouldnt patrolling costs already be included isnt that what the border patrol is supposed to be doing right now? patrolling the border?

and they're doing a fantastic job on the Canadian side.

On a side note: The illegal Mexican immigration is decreasing because jobs are growing in Mexico. Careful what you wish for because you might have US citizens illegally crossing the Mexican border for jobs.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mexico's+gdp

 

[signals]

Are we going to build a border fence to stop Iraq from collapsing?

ISIS did come from Syria without any border issues.

 

[700UW]

Call me crazy, but what does Illegal immigrants and this issue have to do with ISIS and Iraq?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Call me crazy, but what does Illegal immigrants and this issue have to do with ISIS and Iraq?

This thread was never about Iraq, just another "I'm still pissed off because Obama got elected President (twice)" thread.

 

[700UW]

So true.