Iraq Collapsing

[signals]

1. There was a less number of deaths in the '93 WTC attack under guess who. Over the years the terrorist got better because Bill focused on entertaining the American people and himself...ha-ha!
2 and 3. Can't really blame that on anyone other than failed intelligence. Bush was only one year in his presidency. 9/11 wasn't planned in a year.
4. Iraq has oil; oil supply is threatened; invasion is inevitable. I believe the Saudis are our enemies. What's that tell ya?
5. Afghanistan was where Osama was. That was a war that needed to happen. Unfortunately we had to deal with our pseudo-enemies, Pakistan!
6. War is ugly, but who killed who? Bottom line in any war there is collateral damage. What figures don't say is how many were a direct hit? How many were actually terrorists?
7. How many vets have you actually worked with? Back in the '70s my college major was mental health and during an intern year, I worked with a vet daycare out of the VA. It's sad but mental illness is a reality for most soldiers who witnessed people die in front of them. Soldiers know what is their duty when they sign on the dotted line.
8. Pot meet kettle...Benghazi.
9. and 10. Who's the idiot who is looking in the mirror?

 

[Ifly2]

JUNE 18, 2014
PRESSURE ON OBAMA TO QUICKLY RESOLVE CENTURIES-OLD SUNNI-SHIITE CONFLICT
POSTED BY ANDY BOROWITZ


WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)Congressional leaders left the White House on Wednesday deeply frustrated that President Obama had not found a swift resolution to the conflict between Sunnis and Shiites that began in the seventh century A.D.

After meeting for more than an hour with the President in the Oval Office, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell expressed disappointment that Mr. Obama came up empty when asked for a plan to heal the rift between the two religious groups, which began in the year 632.

All we ask of this President is that he do one thing: settle a religious conflict that has been going on for a millennium and a half, McConnell said. What did he offer today? Nothing.

Speaker of the House John Boehner acknowledged that there was a possibility that Obama might find a way to resolve the centuries-old Sunni-Shiite conflict, but the Ohio Republican was not optimistic.

This struggle between Sunnis and Shiites has been going on for almost fifteen hundred years, he said. That means President Obama has had ample time to fix it.

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Photograph by Susan Walsh/AP.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Is there any worse mistreatment of the military then sending them overseas in an operation that is in no way connected to the defense of the United States

 

[700UW]

Sparrow,
 
It is in Defense of Big Oil.

 

[delldude]

Sparrow,
 
It is in Defense of Big Oil.

 
So you just proved Obama is a crony capitalist.

 

[southwind]

Sparrow,
 
It is in Defense of Big Oil.

And you ride a bicycle to work.....right?

 

[700UW]

And you ride a bicycle to work.....right?

You are truly clueless.

 

[delldude]

Bush's own commission has said otherwise.

 

 
The Survey Group, headed by chief U.S. weapons inspector Charles A. Duelfer, only confirmed what weapons inspector David Kay had previously stated before Congress at the interim publication of the report: that Saddam Hussein did not at the time of the invasion have a major program for the production of weapons of mass destruction. If this is news, it is only because of the countdown to the presidential election.
 
What has been played down in the news coverage-but shouldn't be, as it is of crucial importance-is that Saddam retained the capacity and the intent to restart his production of WMDs once the U.N. sanctions regime had finally crumbled. In this he was clearly in breach of U.N. resolution 1441. The Iraqi Intelligence Service maintained a set of undeclared laboratories to research and test chemical and biological weapons, including through human tests. He had the capacity to produce, within six months, sulfur mustard and, within two years, nerve agents.
 
The Survey Group also concluded that Saddam still had dreams of acquiring nuclear weapons and that he intended to resume his missile programs, potentially for the delivery of WMD.
 
Those who criticize the actions taken by President Bush and his team should answer the question what they would have done in the face of the outrageous bluff attempted by Saddam Hussein. He deliberately tried to make the world believe he had WMD, harassing U.N. inspectors and destroying monitoring equipment, and he succeeded. President Bush had every reason not to take a chance that could leave the American people exposed to the dangers of an Iraq armed with WMD. In the post-9/11 world, the stakes in the game Saddam was playing were simply too high.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/10/the-real-news-in-the-duelfer-report

 

[700UW]

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/wmdcomm.html
 
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/wmd/about.html
 

In January 2003, United Nations weapons inspectors reported that they had found no indication that Iraq possessed nuclear weapons or an active program. Some former UNSCOM inspectors disagree about whether the United States could know for certain whether or not Iraq had renewed production of weapons of mass destruction. Robert Gallucci said, "If Iraq had [uranium or plutonium], a fair assessment would be they could fabricate a nuclear weapon, and there's no reason for us to assume we'd find out if they had." Similarly, former inspector Jonathan Tucker said, "Nobody really knows what Iraq has. You really can't tell from a satellite image what's going on inside a factory." However, Hans Blix said in late January 2003 that Iraq had "not genuinely accepted UN resolutions demanding that it disarm." He claimed there were some materials which had not been accounted for. Since sites had been found which evidenced the destruction of chemical weaponry, UNSCOM was actively working with Iraq on methods to ascertain for certain whether the amounts destroyed matched up with the amounts that Iraq had produced.

 
The quality of the intelligence analysis has also come under scrutiny. The failure to find weapons stocks or active production lines, undermining claims by the October 2002 NIE and both President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell (Document 16, Document 27), has been one particular cause for criticism. Controversy has also centered around specific judgments - in the United States with regard to assessments of Iraq's motives for seeking high-strength aluminum tubes, and in the United Kingdom with respect to the government's claim that Iraq sought to acquire uranium from Africa. Post-war evaluation of captured material, particularly two mobile facilities that the CIA and DIA judged to be biological weapons laboratories, has also been the subject of dispute. (Note 5)
 

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

 

[delldude]

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/wmdcomm.html
 
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/wmd/about.html
 
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

 
The Survey Group also concluded that Saddam still had dreams of acquiring nuclear weapons and that he intended to resume his missile programs, potentially for the delivery of WMD.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Sparrow,
 
It is in Defense of Big Oil.

 
And the rest of the political class and their Crony Capitalist and Bankster owners. They don't lead they take orders and guys like you and me take it in the shorts. Think Obama, Hillary, Kerry and their ilk are different? Think harder.

 

[delldude]

Bush's own commission has said otherwise.

 
But the DOD says differently in 2006.
 
So much for your study group...LOL
 

 
Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
 
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.
 
 
 
 
 

 

[700UW]

 
The Survey Group also concluded that Saddam still had dreams of acquiring nuclear weapons and that he intended to resume his missile programs, potentially for the delivery of WMD.

So what about China, Russia, Pakistan, England, France, Israel, North Korea, Irag or any other country that has a nuke or a nuke program?
 
Bush;s own commission concluded he didnt have any WMDs, a right wing group's information isnt the official government report.
 
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_09/Cleminson_09
 

During the period of active hostilities, these various specialist elements collectively searched more than 230 suspect sites. From UNMOVIC’s inspection records in New York, it is clear that some of these sites were the same facilities and laboratories that the UN inspection groups had already scrutinized. In a number of cases, detailed reports on them had already been inserted into the archives at the UN headquarters in New York. With the commencement of hostilities, and an overall strength of more than 900 specialists supported by tens of millions of dollars of detection and laboratory equipment, the U.S. mission-specific units swept through Iraq as part of a comprehensive and intensive program of WMD searches. With the support of additional facilities, both in theater and at home, these teams were unable to find any working unconventional weapons, long-range missiles, bulk storage of either chemical or biological warfare agents, enrichment technologies, or hidden equipment needed to reconstitute a nuclear weapons program. Put simply, the search teams came up empty-handed.
 

 

[SparrowHawk]

So what about China, Russia, Pakistan, England, France, Israel, North Korea, Irag or any other country that has a nuke or a nuke program?
 
Bush;s own commission concluded he didnt have any WMDs, a right wing group's information isnt the official government report.
 
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_09/Cleminson_09
 

Did/does Iraq have the military might to invade the US? NO
 
Did the have the ability to blockade the Persian Gulf as an act of War? NO
 
Did the US Congress at the request of the Commander in Chief issue a formal Declaration of War? NO
 
And we were/are there why?

 

[Ms Tree]

How does arguing about why we are there deal with the issue what to do now? We all have a pretty decent idea of how we got there but at this juncture it really does not matter.